Posted on 10/09/2005 8:55:28 PM PDT by Fedora
Wilson ping.
Do we actually have anyone in the CIA or State who is not a left-wing moonbat anti-Semite?
"...lecture to the Education for Peace in Iraq Center..."
One only needs to see the name of this organization to know where they are coming from.
Great work Fedora.
Can you double-check Part I.B.? Is that Ray McGovern or Joe Wilson speaking?
"Do we actually have anyone in the CIA or State who is not a left-wing moonbat anti-Semite?"
Hopefully we do, but I don't think they attended this lecture :-)
Saved.
Yep!
IB is Wilson. McGovern doesn't start talking until the follow-up Q&A session in II, where I've included a few small snips from him as context for Wilson's comments.
LOL! To get the full Joseph Wilson Experience, you really have to listen to the audio. "Pompous" was the nicest word that came to mind as I sat listening to it.
BTW one thing I included was Wilson's reference to the gold market in Iraq, which is one of his areas of business interest, it's worth noting.
Thank you for the work you have done to dig up this transcript. My suggestion is that you email this to Christopher Hitchens and ask him for comment. Christopher Hitchens seems to be the lone voice from the left who has supported Bush's efforts in Iraq, I would respect anything that he had to say on the subject.
things like this make me think that if fitz and co. go after a cheap shot press move , it will be very easy to crush it. those at the top of the plamme thing had better realize if this is another delay deal with puffed up charges and they can't make it stick , careers will be ruined but not at the WH. i'm not talking about denial of real facts i'm talking about an attempt to destroy bush. then well fitz may gain fame but not for the reasons he was promised. get ready to push back. rather was the warm up act.
I find it interesting that he inserts into his rant, apropos of nothing, that he went to Niger on behalf of the government and NOT the CIA. The only reason to my mind he would say something so out of place is that he suspects he could be in trouble for publicly discussing CIA intelligence gathering and is laying the groundwork for an argument that his mission was really on behalf of State or some other department and therefore not subject to the same secrecy obligations.
Thanks for the suggestion!
.... and yet we have seen some detailed accounts elsewhere (including from Joe "Blowhard" Wilson himself) about how he met with half a dozen CIA people to receive his assignment. Wilson described it later in the summer of 2003 when he was trying to refute allegations that his wife had any role in getting him the mission (she did) and he described how he didn't know any of the CIA people in the room, blah blah blah (of course, that said nothing to the question of what Valerie had done to cause him to be invited to that room at Langley in the first place).
Anyway, when you read all of his accounts and references to his mission across the many months there are many variations and inconsistencies. He definitely does not have a stable and rigorous mind, which is probably why even the other liberals at State tired of him and stalled his career in the mid-90s. I know I could not put up with his bloviating for very long.....
Yes, there are a lot of ways cheap shots could be countered.
Interesting line of thought. That is one of the curious discrepancies in Wilson's account of events. What he's said on that has not been self-consistent or consistent with other sources. It makes you wonder what the explanation for the inconsistency is.
Thus, and to begin with, Joseph Wilson comes before us as a man whose word is effectively worthless. What do you do, if you work for the Bush administration, when a man of such quality is being lionized by an anti-war press? Well, you can fold your tent and let them print the legend. Or you can say that the word of a mediocre political malcontent who is at a loose end, and who is picking up side work from a wife who works at the anti-regime-change CIA, may not be as "objective" as it looks. Rove Rage
Given the CIA's institutional hostility to the "regime change" case, the blatantly partisan line taken in public by Wilson himself... Plame's Lame Game
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