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Highway sound barriers as border fences?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/11/2005 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 10/11/2005, 6:27:42 AM by Dan Evans

As discussion of erecting a security fence along U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada heats up, some analysts say it's possible Washington could economically erect thousands of miles of barrier to keep out illegal aliens, smugglers and terrorists, for about half of what the Pentagon is spending a month to fight the war on terror.

The idea, they say, is to erect a structure similar to barrier walls built along highways to reduce sound. They are sturdy, tall, not easily scaled and, most attractively, affordable.

Plus, analysts say, a wall would dramatically reduce outside threats.

The Federal Highway Administration says most highway sound barriers are constructed of concrete or masonry block, range from 3-5 meters [9-16 feet] in height, and cost between $175 and $200 a square meter.

According to the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, there are "more than 2,630 linear miles of sound barriers" along U.S. highways, constructed at a cost of some $1.4 billion.

By comparison, the Pentagon is spending about $3.9 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan, not counting rebuilding costs, the Associated Press has reported.

One group, WeNeedAFence.com, is advocating the construction of a "state-of-the-art fence" along the entire U.S.-Mexico border, a plan it says would dramatically reduce illegal immigration.

The group points to the fact that similar security fences in Israel have reduced terrorist attacks there by as much as 95 percent in some regions.

Lee Plank, executive vice president and chief operating officer of Diamond Manufacturing Company in Wyoming, Pa., says his company has not been approached about border security fences, but, he said, they would be a good idea.

"I think they'd have to be about 10 feet high," he told WND, and would cost "about $636,000 a mile" to build. That's about $1.27 billion for 2,000 miles of border fence, similar to the government's figures.

Plank, who says his company specializes in sound-absorbing corrugated metal walls, said a border security fence "would save a lot on manpower."

"It would be interesting to see them on the borders," he added.

Mike Flick of Oldcastle Precast Group, a nationwide leader in both highway and security fencing, told WND the idea of border fencing is certainly doable, but the design, depth and other particulars would need to be worked out.

Some have criticized the idea of a border fence.

"The United States needs a better immigration policy, not a fence along the border with Mexico that won't do anything to protect us anyway," says an editorial in the Modesto Bee. "The proposed fence is simply a sign of frustration with illegal immigration. Our politicians need to come up with workable solutions to the problems of illegal immigration and national security."

WeNeedAFence.com officials say a border fence makes sense in this day and age.

"The problem is not merely the number of illegal immigrants. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Central and South America, there are several hundreds, perhaps thousands, of illegal aliens from countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor terrorists entering the United States each year across our border with Mexico. Thus, it is a national security issue as well as an immigration issue," the group says on its website.

Officials at the Department of Homeland Security also believe in erecting new fences or strengthening existing ones as a way to bolster security. Last month DHS quietly implemented a pair of measures aimed to bring regions of the southwestern border under control

One measure "makes it easier for officials to remove non-Mexican illegal immigrants, popularly called 'other than Mexicans' or OTMs," U.S. News & World Report said, "while another adds yet one more level of fortification to a metal wall stretching along parts of the border."

"They clearly did this when no one was looking," complained Tim Edgar, an immigration specialist with the American Civil Liberties Union. "And I'm worried DHS is trying to set new norms for how we treat immigrants in the United States."

Border Patrol agents have praised fences as a means to deter border-jumping. One San Diego-area agent, speaking on anonymity, told WND fences constructed there have "dramatically" reduced the incidents of illegal immigration, though, the agent conceded, many immigrants have merely moved inland, east of the area where the San Diego fence line ended, to sneak into the country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderfence; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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1 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:27:44 AM by Dan Evans
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Highway sound barrier at intersection of I-10 and I-12 in Baton Rouge, La. (courtesy soundfighter.com)

2 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:30:14 AM by Dan Evans
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster

ping


3 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:33:38 AM by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

It's baffling that no one thought of this before.


4 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:34:16 AM by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Dan Evans

It would sure help keep the noise down. Darned noisy Mexicans.


5 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:34:56 AM by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Dan Evans

As long as they put a minefield next to it, and razor wire on top, and guard towers every 200 meters, and a fifty meter shark infested moat on the back of it, I'm in.


6 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:35:42 AM by DC Bound (Bono? Santorum? How did Rove do that?)
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To: Dan Evans
Here's a more recent picture.


7 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:36:26 AM by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Dan Evans

it should only be one in a line of defenses.

For the ideal solutions, they should deal with the israelis and have them consult on how to build a serious border wall.

And it could be done by just cutting a fraction of the pork from the budget.


8 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:37:16 AM by flashbunny (Sorry, but I'm allergic to KoolAid.)
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To: Dan Evans

http://www.weneedafence.com/


9 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:41:37 AM by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Dan Evans

Sound barriers are too thin. Minutes with an oxyacetylene torch and they're in.


11 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:45:56 AM by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

>>>It's baffling that no one thought of this before.

A sound barrier fence baffling...dude...that is like so profound... :)


12 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:48:07 AM by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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I'd love to see D.C. parasites debate the cost of an effective wall, after taking about 20 minutes to decide to immediately waste $70 Billion or so on Louisiana corruption, to be followed with another $200 Billion or so.

Let's see 'em try.

13 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:49:07 AM by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Dan Evans

But what if Mexico invents the ladder?


14 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:49:33 AM by Neanderthal
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To: Neanderthal; Americanwolf
But what if Mexico invents the ladder?

Mexico inventing anything useful is about as likely as France winning a war.AWB

15 posted on 10/11/2005, 6:58:33 AM by Americanwolfsbrother (Don't hate on someone for using their mind.)
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To: clee1

Welding torch would be no good if the fence is solid grouted reinforced concrete block, as proposed. Could even use Mexican illegals to build it. They are very proficient in the concrete/masonry trades, so let them choose - either 6 months in prison or join a chain gang of masons for two months. We just have to pay them peanuts (prison wages - the precedent for this has been set long ago).


16 posted on 10/11/2005, 7:03:11 AM by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: Americanwolfsbrother; Neanderthal

Frances only military success.... the French revolution, and that at best was a draw...


17 posted on 10/11/2005, 7:03:41 AM by Americanwolf (I Served proudly.... how dare you tell me I have no convictions...)
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To: clee1
Sound barriers are too thin. Minutes with an oxyacetylene torch and they're in.

"The Federal Highway Administration says most highway sound barriers are constructed of concrete or masonry block, "

I don't think you can go through concrete with a torch. In any case, barriers are like minefields. They are intended to channel the enemy so it is easier to pick them off as they come through. The fence would be used in conjunction with armed forces and surveillance drones.

18 posted on 10/11/2005, 7:04:28 AM by Dan Evans
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To: Neanderthal
Put razer wire and barbed wire on both sides of the wall, broken glass embedded into the concrete walls at the top.
Build double walls and in the middle between boths walls put wiper pits.
Also at the top of the walls put those new laser ray guns that the pentagon has now.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001219.html
19 posted on 10/11/2005, 7:07:29 AM by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Dan Evans

Sound barriers along Interstates really PI$$ me off.

People buy houses along the freeway, then complain about the noise. Are they that stupid that they did not notice the freeway before buying?

The freeways here in Utah are rapidly being lined with barriers, effectively blocking the view of our wonderful mountains. And then they have the gall to put a raised mural of mountains embossed in the concrete.

BTW, they can put up a couple of miles of highway barriers in a day. Whole machines drive in the posts, and the concrete slab is slipped between the posts.


20 posted on 10/11/2005, 7:27:28 AM by Lokibob
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