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DIVORCE STUDY BREAKS NEW GROUND
Yahoo ^ | 10/11/2005 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 10/11/2005 6:31:45 PM PDT by WarEagle

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To: Servant of the 9

A lot of children were conceived for no other reason than to trap a man. So naturally when the man bolts anyway the child is the detritus of a failed project and grows up feeling that way.

I'll bet most of the abused children in America were the legacy of failed "relationships" and are therefore of no further use or interest to their mother.

And how safe will a child feel in a home where there is an endless procession of strangers. New boyfriends/girlfriends.


21 posted on 10/11/2005 7:17:17 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: narses

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22 posted on 10/11/2005 7:17:24 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: sandbar
Children should be loved, cared for and taken care of, but not the center.

Bingo.

Well said. The little one's are a part - a huge one, to be sure - of my family. By no means are they the "center".

The oldest one and I are still working through this.

LVM

23 posted on 10/11/2005 7:22:22 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: WarEagle

I agree, WE. There are necessary divorces, and we should be careful about judging. But our culture has swung off the charts in the other direction. It is no light thing to break up a family, especially when children are involved, and should only be done for the most serious of reasons.

The natural order dictates that parents sacrifice their own comforts, and needs if necessary, for the wellbeing of the children. It's in that sense that children are the "center" of the family, not that they should be fawned over. Ideally, the true center of the family should be the Author of family, God Himself, "from Whom every family takes its name".

The consequences of divorce are heartbreaking, and more so when you've seen it far more up close and personal than you ever wanted to. It's an insideous force that's at war against the family is these last days.

p.


24 posted on 10/11/2005 7:24:12 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: irishjuggler

>>>and most likely this 'children at the center of the family' is what is causing most divorces.

Is there any research at all to support this statement? I find it completely unbelievable that "most" divorces are caused by parents putting "children at the center of the family" or otherwise being too devoted to the kids.>>>

No research, just life experience. When the focus is centered on the children, your relationship lacks. For instance, I had a problem going out for the evening, the youngest would cry. I heard a statement "Better they cry for a few minutes than cry for a lifetime because Mom and Dad got divorced." So very very true. When Mom and Dad are happy, the children are happy. That of course doesn't mean you neglect or don't dote on your kids. There is just an order of success (IMO) to a family. Focus first on God, then on relationship of each other, then on the kids.


25 posted on 10/11/2005 7:28:50 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

Good for you. The hardest thing in the world is to make the best of a bad situation.


26 posted on 10/11/2005 7:29:26 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Jemian

>>>You are exactly right. I bet it made your marriage more solid, too.>>>

Yes it did.


27 posted on 10/11/2005 7:31:10 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: irishjuggler

>>>I find it completely unbelievable that "most" divorces are caused by parents putting "children at the center of the family" or otherwise being too devoted to the kids.>>>

I wanted to also expand on this. I absolutely believe that this is a part of alot of divorces. How many times have you seen the mother (as a for instance) completely consumed with the kids. Morning noon and night. Not just taking care of, but consumed with nothing BUT the kids. Too tired for sex, cause of the kids. Too busy for a lunch date, cause of the kids. Too worried about leaving the kids, can't go out for romantic dinner. Then there is Dad. Excluded most times from that part as he is busy working and Mom is spending all her time with/for the kids. Dad meets Sally Sue who has no morals or scruples. You get the idea.

The situation can also be reversed, but honestly, do you not see how this happens?


28 posted on 10/11/2005 7:35:20 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: irishjuggler

good analysis. There is disjunction in that argument a mile wide.


29 posted on 10/11/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

>>>good analysis. There is disjunction in that argument a mile wide.>>>

How so?


30 posted on 10/11/2005 7:40:55 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

this sounds like an argument of the mother as an individual centering her life on the kids, not the family , i.e. the father and mother together with the children. The cause of the divorce in your example is unfaithfulness in the marriage and conversely, the fact that the family was NOT centered on the kids.


31 posted on 10/11/2005 7:43:36 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: sandbar

I think you are taking this wrong.

My husband's parents were divorced and mine weren't.

My parents made decisions that benefited the whole family. My mom didn't work until I (the youngest) was in school full-time. I wasn't at home by myself much as a kid. We went on vacations that were family friendly (mountains, lakes, camping). My parents knew where I was at all times.

My husbands's parents made decisions that benefited them, and not the rest of the family. When his 15 year old sister got pregnant, his parents signed something so that she could get married. My husband spent lots of his time alone after school. My husband didn't go on trips after his parents divorced. His dad went on trips by himself, and his mom was broke. His parents didn't know where he was most of the time.



32 posted on 10/11/2005 7:46:18 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Servant of the 9
And what do people grow up to be like who live with two parents who obviously seethe with contempt and hatred for each other?

They grow up with the over-riding conviction that "there's nothing more important than how I feel."

33 posted on 10/11/2005 7:47:51 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: looois
Or, maybe, such a study would not be politically correct.

Count on it.

34 posted on 10/11/2005 7:51:18 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

some people spend years in psychoanalysis and thouands of bucks to get to that kind of insight... and you can get it on FreeRepublic for free. Thanks.


35 posted on 10/11/2005 7:55:30 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: sandbar
When Mom and Dad are happy, the children are happy.

That seems like an oversimplification. I know parents who are happiest when they're at work and the kids are parked at miserable daycare centers. By your logic, these kids should be happy simply because Mom and Dad are so happy.

Let me ask you this... Suppose Mom & Dad decide that owning a new boat would make them both incredibly happy, but the costs would leave less money for the kids' education, clothing and activities. Should the parents buy the boat? Should parental happiness always take precedence?
36 posted on 10/11/2005 7:59:57 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Cicero

What you said is true. To be orphaned by death is one thing, to be orphaned by rejection another.


37 posted on 10/11/2005 8:01:09 PM PDT by avenir (Don't insult my intelligentness!)
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To: gusopol3
some people spend years in psychoanalysis and thouands of bucks to get to that kind of insight... and you can get it on FreeRepublic for free. Thanks.

Just remember it's the same lesson they learn when their folks get divorced, too.

38 posted on 10/11/2005 8:03:20 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I wasn't interpreting it as advocacy for divorce, but I do think it helps explain pathologic narcissism.


39 posted on 10/11/2005 8:10:23 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Takes a man and a woman to conceive a child (discounting brave new world methods) and it takes a man and a woman to raise a child. Single parents often do the best they can, but it is always more difficult. What to speak of woman choosing to have a child without a father/husband around - the height of selfishness. Well, not the height - that would be abortion. A society with a lot of dysfunctional kids due to broken familes is a society that much closer to breakdown.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


40 posted on 10/11/2005 8:14:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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