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Passengers tattle on pilot after ride in stolen jet
Atlanta Journal-Constitution (excerpt) ^ | October 13, 2005

Posted on 10/13/2005 2:12:10 AM PDT by HAL9000

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Imagine taking a joyride with five friends — a fine trip, covering 400 or so miles, the sort of nighttime jaunt where the lights of towns and cities below twinkle like diamonds tossed across black velvet.

Then imagine that trip coming to a rude conclusion when your five fellow travelers finger you as the guy who stole that ride, a $7 million Cessna Citation VII.

That's the situation facing Daniel Andrew Wolcott of Buford. Police arrested him Wednesday and charged him with taking the airplane, boosted from St. Augustine, Fla., last weekend and flown to Gwinnett County Airport/Briscoe Field.

Wolcott, 22, is facing five misdemeanor counts and one felony charge in Gwinnett for the alleged theft. He may face more, too: Federal officials and Florida authorities are considering filing charges.

Police said Wolcott has a commercial-rated pilot's license, but is not licensed to fly the Cessna, a sophisticated machine that can climb eight miles into the sky and exceed 500 mph.

Wolcott, said police spokesman Darren Moloney, "apparently is a talented and gifted pilot."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: Florida; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cessna; cessnacitation; gwinnettcounty; stolenjet
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1 posted on 10/13/2005 2:12:13 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

With security breaches like this who needs hijackers?


2 posted on 10/13/2005 2:20:18 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: HAL9000

I would like to see this guy's log book. Something about the whole story just doesn't make sense. Horrible article in that it gives precious little information. Just saying he has a 'commerical-rated pilot's license' does not tell the reader anything, other than the fact the writer is woefully ignorant of the world of aviation.

The more I think about it, the less I accept the story at face value. Unless he has time in this kind of aircraft, but you certainly won't know about that from reading the article, I would consider it highly unlikely that he was able to taxi the aircraft, take off, make the trip and then land at the other end. I would also like some more info on the damage to the wing.

Oh well, let's wait and see if someone with some writing talent and knowledge of the subject decides to cover the story.


3 posted on 10/13/2005 2:25:39 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: HAL9000

how did they get home? how did they get out of the airport? how did the kid know what airport to fly into at that time of night?


4 posted on 10/13/2005 2:41:46 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: AlbertWang
how did they get out of the airport?

I read another article that said the airport they landed at was unmanned at the time (smaller airports are after certain hours, usually after midnight).

how did the kid know what airport to fly into at that time of night?

Planes do have navigation radio stacks. I suspect this one probably even had a GPS receiver in it as well.

5 posted on 10/13/2005 2:47:47 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: HAL9000; KevinDavis
*disgust* WHAT THE HELL! ..well, so much for security..."How's that WOT goin', Vern?" B/
6 posted on 10/13/2005 2:47:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: jwpjr
There are a lot of horrible articles being written in "mainstream" newspapers these days. That because these dying newspapers hire hacks for dirt cheap money. And the editors aren't much better. Most of us here could write better articles.

Bloggers are slowly taking over the media and there will soon be no more traditional newspapers at all. We will soon be filtering our own news through proven bloggers onto portable devices.

7 posted on 10/13/2005 2:50:04 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: jwpjr

When you're young, stupid, have a pilot's license and no brains, you can do just about anything at least once. At the time, five or six guys sitting around a table at TGIFridays, bragging about what could be done, it may have seemed like something "cool" to do. I thank god every day that the Army had a hold of my britches when I was that age.


8 posted on 10/13/2005 2:57:39 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

You would have thought he would have at least returned the plane.


9 posted on 10/13/2005 2:58:21 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

Ya know, I'll bet that was the plan (I use the word 'plan' loosely). He was probably lucky and glad to get it on the ground and that's when the 'plan' changed.


10 posted on 10/13/2005 3:01:42 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

Yes, come to think of it he bonged up a wing, probably didn't want to chance getting it back in the air that way.


11 posted on 10/13/2005 3:05:17 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

First, they were on the ground and wishing they were in the air.

Second, they were in the air and wishing they were on the ground.

There was no third act except to figure out how to get back to Florida.


12 posted on 10/13/2005 3:07:46 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: The Red Zone
Wolcott, 22, is facing five misdemeanor counts and one felony charge in Gwinnett for the alleged theft. He may face more, too: Federal officials and Florida authorities are considering filing charges.

Facing five misdemeanor counts?? The one felony charge is in GA. Pathetic article. Surely he will be put UNDER the jail for this one.

13 posted on 10/13/2005 3:26:46 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

Before he goes to jail he should be allowed to go to Savannah
and have his picture taken on a park bench. He could caption it,

"Stupid is as stupid does!"

It would look nice on his cell wall.


14 posted on 10/13/2005 3:36:02 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: SamAdams76

I worked for a major daily newspaper and was appalled at the ignorance of the reporters. Even worse was their refusal to learn anything that would help them write a better article. One of the higher up editors was a pilot and made a big deal about his love of flying and all his time and experience but every article that dealt with aviation had at least one, usually several, glaring errors that should have driven him up the wall.

Much of what ails newsrooms these days is a fixation on PC that results in far more effort being made to be 'diverse' and PC than to write a good article. So many of the outlets are owned by huge conglomerates that the time and energy needed to handle the corporate environment leaves little time for journalism.


15 posted on 10/13/2005 3:50:10 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: leadpenny

Yeah, and they kept me in the field most of the time until I grew a few more brain cells.

Still did enough stupid stuff to fill a book when I was off duty.


16 posted on 10/13/2005 3:53:06 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Panic don't get the job done)
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To: leadpenny
Oh yes! I remember landing my Aeronca 7AC in my girlfriend's front yard! She lived on a farm and had a pretty big front yard, but certainly not really big enough for that stupid prank. Seemed like a good idea at the time though. I still hear about it every time I encounter a member of her family!

Even so, there is still a minimal level of skills necessary to fly that aircraft, and pilot or not, if you don't have that skill level you are likely to have a bad flight (assuming you're able to get airborne in the first place!).

Maybe I'm just suspicious by nature, see my post on the memo 'intercepted' in Iraq recently, but I am going to have to reserve final judgment on this story for a bit.
17 posted on 10/13/2005 3:56:10 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr

IMO, all of this is a reflection of the failure of our schools. Kids are not learning proper English and they are definitely not learning proper writing skills. But I am not proposing bigger and more expensive schools. That is NOT the answer. You can only teach a child that WANTS to learn. The ones who don't care and won't try are dragging the whole system down with them.


18 posted on 10/13/2005 3:58:02 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: jwpjr

ping


19 posted on 10/13/2005 3:59:07 AM PDT by southland (New Orleans was an incident waiting to happen.)
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To: HAL9000
Im betting the preflight check was a tad short. "Wings? check...lets go"

On the other hand just the cost of the fuel burned on a four hour flight should make it a felony theft.

And fuel, I imagine, limited their return to Florida.

20 posted on 10/13/2005 4:08:03 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: jwpjr

The Army didn't completely straighten my out. In the early 70s I was in an Air Cav Squadron at Fort Knox. Once a pilot passed his Standard Instrument ride he could take a Huey for a weekend. I ran the program and I had just past a fellow from Michigan. My home state also. Off we go. I dropped him off near Lansing and I flew to Hillsdale single pilot (illegal). First I buzzed my classmates at the lake where the 10th year HS reunion was going on and then I landed at my moms property where my brother had a makeshift "H" in the grass. Of course he had invited all the neighbors. I remember thinking, "am I nuts?" as I visualized a destroyed career. Here but for the grace of . . . I didn't break anything or get arrested.

A few weeks later a friend of mine took a Huey to the Detroit area and decided to put it down on an elementary school yard near his home. School was in session and the police arrested him. The squadron commander put an end to the policy of rewarding those who got their intrument tickets.


21 posted on 10/13/2005 4:18:39 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: HAL9000

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.


22 posted on 10/13/2005 4:54:46 AM PDT by GnL
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To: leadpenny
I lived in Enterprise, AL, in 1965 and worked for the radio station there, WIRB. I still remember how you could go outside absolutely any time of the day or night and see a variety of aircraft from Ft. Rucker. Our neighbors on both side of us were rotary wing instructors at Rucker. I remember driving down to Elba or New Brockton and how you could round a curve and see a twin-engine fixed wing landing in a very small field as they practiced their short field take offs and landings.

I was a bit too old for the war, and had three children by then, but have always thought I would have joined if I could have been assured of getting into helicopter piloting.

My son is a helicopter pilot for the sheriff's office in Naples, FL. He has the best job in all the world! Boy do I envy him.
23 posted on 10/13/2005 5:19:28 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: leadpenny

The young man may well not have been type rated, that does not preclude him from not having logged time in that type aircraft. When times were less strict, a friend of mine flew for thirty years and never had a license.


24 posted on 10/13/2005 5:24:48 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom

how right you are. btw, a similar thing happened to a friend of mine in high school. his father was a real airline pilot, so by 15 or so this guy had his own pilots license. so what did he do? he goes to the airport and steals a plane, no kidding. it was a cessna however. police copters chased him for about an hour, he just kept circling our city. i would post his name, but i think all should be forgiven a transgression or two in the right circumstances. btw, all of us in the high school thought he was the biggest dork until he did this silly thing.


25 posted on 10/13/2005 5:31:13 AM PDT by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: DainBramage
And fuel, I imagine, limited their return to Florida.

Well, they were able to land at an unattended field in Florida...would they have enjoyed the same advantage upon returning HOME with the plane?
26 posted on 10/13/2005 5:36:38 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: HAL9000
I think that this should read, " Wolcott, said police spokesman Darren Moloney, "apparently is a talented and gifted former pilot."

Somehow, I don't think that the FAA will be letting Wolcott keep his license or commercial rating, after having stolen a plane that he wasn't qualified on.

Mark

27 posted on 10/13/2005 5:39:33 AM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: son of caesar
I spent my career with military/FAA...Saw a lot of good pilots, saw a lot of bad pilots, from student to ATR.

There is a transcript of an American airline crash in South America that is available on the internet. On the cockpit recorder they are discussing the fact that neither has a clue as to where they. It is night and then they violate a basic rule, they did not climb to MEA, flew it into a mountain.

Both had many thousands of hours.

28 posted on 10/13/2005 5:41:31 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: HAL9000
I'd have to give the passengers credit for stupidity for even getting on the jet with the "kid".

Remember, it's not the plane going down that kills you...it's the impact.

29 posted on 10/13/2005 5:42:34 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: jwpjr
I remember landing my Aeronca 7AC in my girlfriend's front yard!

Is that a little 2 passenger tube and fabric plane with a 60hp continental?

30 posted on 10/13/2005 5:48:15 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: jwpjr

I think it was Mark Twain who said that a reporter could do research in the library and investigate, or he could simply repeat what people told him -- but both approaches pay the same.


31 posted on 10/13/2005 5:51:59 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: son of caesar

Did he lose his license?


32 posted on 10/13/2005 6:00:12 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: jwpjr


I'd also like to see his logbook ,but meanwhile here's a little more.


Airmen Database Search Result


Name : WOLCOTT, DANIEL ANDREW
Airman's Address : 1750 HUNTINGTON HILL TRCE
BUFORD, GA, 30519-7120
FAA Region : Southern
Date of Medical : Aug, 2004
Class of Medical : 2
Expiration of Class 2 : Aug, 2005
Airman Certificates : Commercial Pilot
Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
Instrument Airplane


33 posted on 10/13/2005 6:06:13 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: jwpjr; leadpenny
This exchange reminds me of a story about Kris Kristofferson(being in the military DIDN'T help him).

He was, IIRC a Captain in some branch that had access to some large helicopter. He took one and landed it in Johnny Cash's yard hoping to get Cash to listen to some of Kristofferson's songs. his music. Johnny Cash told this story somewhere or other.

Kristofferson was also a Rhodes Scholar if you can believe it.
34 posted on 10/13/2005 6:08:08 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: cynicom

"Both had many thousands of hours."

Geez, hoe about that clown on the taxi way at Tenirife who simply decided, in a heavy fog, that it was HIS turn to take off and the hell with the tower and the flight on the runway at the time? Hours? In the end experience can't help the stupid.


35 posted on 10/13/2005 6:13:28 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

"Surely he will be put UNDER the jail for this one."

In the basement? What the hell does UNDER the jail mean?


36 posted on 10/13/2005 7:28:33 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

It means there will be concrete above you and you'll never get out.


37 posted on 10/13/2005 8:13:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch (In 3 to 5 seconds check- employees immigration status - http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm)
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To: B4Ranch
Ridiculous. It's not like he hijacked the plane, he took it for a joy ride. I would be surprised if he does any jail time. If it's his first offense he will likely get probation and community service.
38 posted on 10/13/2005 8:26:33 AM PDT by monday
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To: jwpjr
There is just not much legwork being done by reporters anymore. If they need to research a subject, they'll just do a Google search from their laptops and cut and paste into the article the same old cliches. What really aggravates me about most daily newspapers is that their news stories ignore the golden rule of journalism (explain the who, what, where and why). Their stories usually lack one of those components and so you rarely get the complete story. They usually eliminate one of these components on purpose so that they can lend some sensationalism to the article. For example, there was a Page One barnburner here in Boston on how inmates in state prisons were being treated to the "circus," clowns and all. The article led the reader to believe that clowns were going around to the prisons and performing for their entertainment.

It turned out that there was a Christian group going around to the prisons to try to convert them to Christianity and clowns were a very minor part of what they were doing. In fact, it appears that actual circus clowns were never involved at all.

But reporters are always looking for something sensational and they try not to let facts get in the way of a good story that might get their article featured on the front page.

I remember my last interaction with a newspaper reporter. We were "Freeping" Bill Clinton here in Boston back around the 1998 timeframe. A reporter was sent out to "cover" our protest. We met him at a downtown bar where he was having a beer. He asked us a few rote questions and to my knowledge, he never came out out of that bar at all to see us in action. The next day, were were mentioned in just a few perfunctory sentences in the article concerning Clinton's visit and we were passed off as a small minority of rabblerousers. Your basic mainstream media hackjob.

39 posted on 10/13/2005 10:29:55 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: grjr21
re: Expiration of Class 2 : Aug, 2005

Uh oh! He's in big trouble now! His medical had expired! Bet he wasn't up to date on his biennial (or annual as the case might be) flight review either. Boy, what a scofflaw!
40 posted on 10/13/2005 10:57:59 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: monday; REPANDPROUDOFIT

You need to reply to REPANDPROUDOFIT. I was only answering your question.


41 posted on 10/13/2005 10:59:26 AM PDT by B4Ranch (In 3 to 5 seconds check- employees immigration status - http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm)
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To: painter
Ah yes! What I wouldn't give to have that airplane today! Just a real joy to fly. Had the fuel tank in front of the cockpit windshield and a little thingie-do that floated on the surface of the fuel an stuck up through the cap to show you how much fuel was in the tank. A tach, a Hobbs, oil pressure and temp, airspeed and the little ball in the curved tube for turn and bank. As simple an aircraft as you could imagine.

I think it burned about 3 gallons an hour and if I am not mistaken the aero club that owned it charged $6.00 an hour, wet, to rent it.

Really miss those days of flying!
42 posted on 10/13/2005 11:05:05 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr
I lived in Enterprise, AL, in 1965 and worked for the radio station there, WIRB.

This piece may be of interest to you.

43 posted on 10/13/2005 11:15:38 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: B4Ranch

"I was only answering your question."

How can you be sure thats what he meant?


44 posted on 10/13/2005 11:34:56 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Not being a Bush Bot, I am not that sure of anything.


45 posted on 10/13/2005 12:02:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (In 3 to 5 seconds check- employees immigration status - http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/SAVE.htm)
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To: cynicom
The young man may well not have been type rated, that does not preclude him from not having logged time in that type aircraft. When times were less strict, a friend of mine flew for thirty years and never had a license.

Friend of mine used to fly one of those small one seat planes (they typically are used for crop dusting), and he would take off early in the morning on Saturday's and fly to the neighboring town about 78 miles away and have coffee with the "morning coffee bunch" on Saturday mornings. Most of them were Ham Radio operators like him, and they knew each other really well.

He doesn't do that anymore ever since his hip started bothering him, as he can't operate the rudder pedals very well.

46 posted on 10/13/2005 12:55:01 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: jwpjr
Years ago we had an airshow here in Central Missouri and someone showed up in one. I fell in loved with it. It is one of those airplanes you would love to have to take off in and get up high and enjoy being up there..:)

Is your ticket up to date?

47 posted on 10/13/2005 4:28:16 PM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: HAL9000
Wolcott, said police spokesman Darren Moloney, "apparently is a talented and gifted pilot."

Maybe, however he can kiss any license he has and future as a jet pilot good bye. If he's lucky, he may get to fly a crop duster some day

48 posted on 10/13/2005 4:43:48 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: painter
re: Is your ticket up to date?

Sort of. I am coming up on my 3rd class medical and I need a flight review. I am in Tampa, FL and it's pretty expensive to rent here.

I would LOVE to have a Champ. Keep it on a grass strip someplace and be able to go out and hop in and take off when the mood strikes. By the time I get to an airport here, get the preflight done, get in the air and back down I've spent a hundred dollars or so. And it's not that much fun flying in a area where you have FIVE controlled and a dozen uncontrolled airports in an area 25 miles across.

I remember learning to fly in St. Elmo, AL. It was a small grass strip and on the weekend there would be a dozen or more pilots out there just hanging around. You could always get a ride and most of them would give you some stick time if they knew you. We used to take the Champ up to about 3500 feet and throw a role of toilet paper out the window and then see how many time we could cut it with the prop before it got too near the ground. Or put balloon out at 3000 feet and then try to come back and break it with the prop. Sounds easy enough, but it takes some practice.

OK, back to the present now. Still waiting to hear more about the guy and the Citation. I just can't believe someone who has never operated one could get the engines going and get it in the air, not to mention landing it.
49 posted on 10/13/2005 5:34:48 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Wow! Quite an article. I was in Enterprise for about a year, but had no contact with anything like this.


50 posted on 10/13/2005 5:36:38 PM PDT by jwpjr
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