There is a transcript of an American airline crash in South America that is available on the internet. On the cockpit recorder they are discussing the fact that neither has a clue as to where they. It is night and then they violate a basic rule, they did not climb to MEA, flew it into a mountain.
Both had many thousands of hours.
"Both had many thousands of hours."
Geez, hoe about that clown on the taxi way at Tenirife who simply decided, in a heavy fog, that it was HIS turn to take off and the hell with the tower and the flight on the runway at the time? Hours? In the end experience can't help the stupid.