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"First and foremost, we've got to do border enforcement,"

OK, now you have my attention.

1 posted on 10/14/2005 6:51:42 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

That is exactly the point that needs to be made.

YOu need border enforcement first.

Then you can more easily control whatever worker program you have to have.


2 posted on 10/14/2005 6:52:53 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: SmithL; gubamyster; HiJinx
Beware the border bait and drop. First they promise to fix the border, and then do a guest worker amnesty.

The amnesty happens, but the border is never fixed.


3 posted on 10/14/2005 6:55:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SmithL
"First and foremost, we've got to do border enforcement,"

Read the rest of the article. He discounts any possibility of deporting current illegals, he wants illegals to get in-state tuition, he wants a guest worker program, etc. etc.

4 posted on 10/14/2005 6:57:02 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: SmithL
He thinks immigrants should be given incentives to be documented

Amnesty Alert. Saying out of one side of his mouth that he wants border enforcement is meaningless sound effects if out of the other side of his mouth he's saying things that will encourage more illegal immigration. Just stick to border enforcement, Mel. We'll then figure out to do from there, once that's done.

5 posted on 10/14/2005 6:57:18 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: SmithL
At some point here Obama and Martinez have got to arrive at the moment where they realize their parents who were lawful immigrants were chumps for having abided by the laws.

Then, Martiniz and a couple of others who came as refugees will wake up and realize that the presence of so many illegal aliens in the population seriously reduces the interest Americans have in bringing in legitimate refugees.

6 posted on 10/14/2005 7:02:18 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again? How'bout a double sarcasm for this one)
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To: SmithL

Well is Mel taking a conservative approach which sees the border thing as a law and order mess and fear that the US will get overrun by immigrants (apparently not). I believe he's taking a libertarian approach that opposes limits (in general) to immigration (because the economy needs their unskilled labor---and their skilled labor as well in many cases). I really don't think he's playing any kind of Hispanic card---in general Cubans haven't, they've been sort of individualistic among Latinos (voting Republican, higher involvement in the business sector--although that is rapidly changing).


8 posted on 10/14/2005 7:05:47 PM PDT by brooklyn dave (Allah is a Moon god)
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To: SmithL

It may very well be that blacks, cubans and others are too damn dumb to realize their vote is being lost on the the illegals.

They are becoming irrelevant.

Soon the blacks, cubans and asians will be singing "Viva La Raza! Viva Atzlan!"


9 posted on 10/14/2005 7:05:48 PM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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To: SmithL
1984-type DOUBLESPEAK

"Border State of Emergency", etc.

10 posted on 10/14/2005 7:10:47 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: SmithL

Anybody here feel sorry for the legal immigrants who are getting s*****d by the flood of illegals?

As I've said before, my ancestors came to the front door (Ellis Island) and knocked, and waited to be invited in.
They didn't crawl under the back fence in the middle of the night.

My plan is simple- lots of legal immigration, NO illegal immigration. And we let the Department of Labor set immigration quotas based on employment needs.


15 posted on 10/14/2005 7:24:16 PM PDT by Ostlandr ("Billions down the drain, and we ain't plugged it yet." - Federal Government motto)
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To: SmithL

PING


16 posted on 10/14/2005 7:32:15 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: SmithL

Black and a Cuban. Seen it before.


17 posted on 10/14/2005 7:33:16 PM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: SmithL

Why are these guys so eager, a fence and that is all, is needed? As soon as my income taxes, emergency health care, and auto insurance is lowered to the same rate as the illegal immigrants, AND a fence is built and we station some troops and we begin to haul away employers for passing off their workers social care on to the American citizens while honest employers are forced to pay work comp. Then I might consider a guest amnesty program as my last choice for what to do with this problem, and maybe I would move that up on the list if those seeking restaurant positions had to pass a test to prove that they knew how to make bread with yeast.


18 posted on 10/14/2005 7:35:01 PM PDT by seastay
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To: SmithL

I voted for Martinez because he was better than the DIM alternative. I didn't expect a conservative, but jeez, this guy is getting harder to stomach all the time.

IMO, he's just another RINO. Crap, what a choice. A RINO or a wacko socialist.


19 posted on 10/14/2005 7:47:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: SmithL

Notice the misleading title. He's not attacking restrictions. He's trying to reinforce them.


20 posted on 10/14/2005 7:51:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SmithL
"First and foremost, we've got to do border enforcement," he said. "Then we got to have a worker program. There are people that are here that this economy absolutely needs — there's nothing wrong with that."

There are no illegal aliens in the United States that our economy absolutely needs. Any jobs that are currently filled by illegal aliens can be filled by American workers or legal immigrant workers.

25 posted on 10/14/2005 8:06:57 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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I think Martinez may be closer to Souter than to any conservative elected in the last 10 years. He has holds on appointments and votes against the President. Aren't we all glad that we can see the real conservatives before they are elected or appointed. /pro H. Miers rant off


26 posted on 10/14/2005 8:36:54 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: SmithL

I see, Florida Sen. Mel Martinez,is the next "make the people believe we care about the illegal immigration" spokesman.


28 posted on 10/14/2005 9:36:56 PM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: SmithL

Can't find an email address for old Mel. Only a "my secretary reads this" contact form:

http://martinez.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactInformation.ContactForm


31 posted on 10/14/2005 9:56:39 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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33 posted on 10/15/2005 4:54:34 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: SmithL

Martinez-Barak? Why? Is McCain-Kennedy too conservative of a bill?


37 posted on 10/15/2005 11:47:38 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (you call me a right wing extremist and a Rushbot like it's a bad thing.....)
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