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Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe
Telegraph ^ | October 16, 2005 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 10/15/2005 5:35:47 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Former members of the Russian military have been secretly helping Iran to acquire technology needed to produce missiles capable of striking European capitals.

The Russians are acting as go-betweens with North Korea as part of a multi-million pound deal they negotiated between Teheran and Pyongyang in 2003. It has enabled Teheran to receive regular clandestine shipments of top secret missile technology, believed to be channelled through Russia.

Western intelligence officials believe that the technology will enable Iran to complete development of a missile with a range of 2,200 miles, capable of hitting much of Europe. It is designed to carry a 1.2-ton payload, sufficient for a basic nuclear device.

The revelation raises the stakes in the confrontation between Iran's Islamic regime and the West - led by the United States and European countries including Britain.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, clashed with Russian officials over Iran's nuclear programme during a visit to Moscow yesterday, saying that Teheran must fulfil its obligations under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

She was later expected to urge President Vladimir Putin to back a referral of Iran to the United Nations Security Council.

A senior American official said Iran's programme was "sophisticated and getting larger and more accurate. They have had very much in mind the payload needed to carry a nuclear weapon.

"I think Putin knows what the Iranians are doing."

Iran is believed to be hiding its weapons development behind its nuclear power programme, for which it receives Russian support, and has refused to suspend uranium enrichment or to allow full UN inspections.

John Bolton, the US ambassador to the UN, told BBC2's Newsnight that Iran was "determined to get nuclear weapons deliverable on ballistic missiles it can then use to intimidate not only its own region but possibly to supply to terrorists".

Iran's longest-range missile is the Shahab 3, which, with an 800-mile range, could hit Israel. The North Korean deal will allow the Iranian missile to reach targets far into Europe - including Rome, Berlin, and much of France.

North Korea has developed a missile, the Taepo Dong 2, that could reach America's west coast, based on the submarine-launched Soviet SSN6. Modifications allow it to be fired from a land-based transporter and this technology is being smuggled to Teheran with Russian help.

Russians have provided production facilities, diagrams and operating instruction so the missile can be built in Iran. Liquid propellant has been shipped to Iran. Russian specialists have also been sent to Iran to help development of its Shahab 5 missile project, which the Iranians hope to have operational by the end of the decade.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; axisofweasels; backstabbers; bush; coldwar2; commies; europe; iran; irannukes; northkorea; putin; rice; russia; terrorism

1 posted on 10/15/2005 5:35:48 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

quote-Russians have provided production facilities, diagrams and operating instruction so the missile can be built in Iran. Liquid propellant has been shipped to Iran.----

if this is true it must border on sheer wackiness by the Russians. How do they justify such support.? Unbelievable


2 posted on 10/15/2005 5:39:21 PM PDT by birg
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To: birg
if this is true it must border on sheer wackiness by the Russians. How do they justify such support.? Unbelievable

Exactly, do these missiles only fly westward?

3 posted on 10/15/2005 5:41:10 PM PDT by demsux
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To: demsux


Apparently so.... as far as the Ruskies are concerned.


4 posted on 10/15/2005 5:47:32 PM PDT by birg
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To: demsux

Why are we treating this as news? They've been supplying Iran with this type of technology for some time and lord knows who else...our so-called allies.
Who is China supplying? while we're at it?

Oh yeah, and Germany and France?


5 posted on 10/15/2005 5:50:09 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: West Coast Conservative

The damn Russians have a lot of nerve helping the worst Islamic terrorist rouge state on the face of the earth with gaining long range offensive nuclear weapons. Yet we are told now Moscow is our friend (?)


6 posted on 10/15/2005 6:01:03 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Follow up question for everyone. During this upcoming winter where Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hizballah are finally confronted by an Allied force - which side will the Russians back?
7 posted on 10/15/2005 6:03:00 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: CBart95


I guess it is all about the moola.. ching ching
Welcome to the real world


8 posted on 10/15/2005 6:04:19 PM PDT by birg
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To: M. Espinola


They will "abstain" from "voting".
Seriously though, they feel there is a need to always maintain a counter-balance of some sorts to keep the world "stable" somewhat. Can't say i agree with them....


9 posted on 10/15/2005 6:06:22 PM PDT by birg
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To: West Coast Conservative

We should take Iran's oil and gas fields, a small area and modest task. We would put revenues in trust. This would stop this nonsense in its tracks. If we don't act soon, Iran will have deliverable nuclear abilities and it will be too late.


10 posted on 10/15/2005 6:10:59 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: birg

Considering all the problems Russians have with jihaadism on their borders, why on earth would their leadership help the mullah dictatorship in Iran?


11 posted on 10/15/2005 6:11:02 PM PDT by Frank T
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To: Frank T

To get Europe to stop being EU...or to get Europe to assist them in killing off the militants.


12 posted on 10/15/2005 6:16:44 PM PDT by Dr Stormfist
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To: West Coast Conservative

Tough to figure out which side to root for on this one.


13 posted on 10/15/2005 6:20:49 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: West Coast Conservative

F'in Commies


14 posted on 10/15/2005 6:39:03 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe; GarySpFc

ping


15 posted on 10/15/2005 6:41:33 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Mike Pence for President!!! http://acuf.org/issues/issue34/050415pol.asp)
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To: birg
I guess it is all about the moola..

You're right. It's all about the money.
Putin's probably afraid of in'sultan' the mullahs.

16 posted on 10/15/2005 6:43:24 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad...Jihadn't.)
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To: birg
Moscow arming to the teeth the crazed, jihad happy Iranian mullahs will not make world "stable", just the opposite.
17 posted on 10/15/2005 6:59:17 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Frank T
Answer = $$$$$$$

Russia is working of a deal to build 20 nuclear power plants in Iran - worth a bundle in "hard currency".

Likewise mother Russia has always coveted the concept of being a major player in the ME - particularly when it comes to wanting to exercise a degree of control over ME oil - it's their way of strategically counterbalancing the EU and the US.
18 posted on 10/15/2005 7:02:22 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Russia is a whore selling all she has left to sell to anyone willing to buy it.

This is not the first time an insecure Russian state has allied with those who intend to destroy her; but it could well be the last time.

Iran needs only time, and that is the one thing the west is apparently willing to grant.


19 posted on 10/15/2005 7:11:59 PM PDT by mmercier (so it goes)
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To: West Coast Conservative
WTF are they thinking? Especially with this going on:

Russia's Islamic revolt is spreading

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503182/posts

20 posted on 10/15/2005 7:21:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: mmercier

seriously though

what prevents them from having "fronts" in france/ uk/ russia?

if they can have companies here in north america seeking any technology... with their brethern shipping.... why not in Russia?

beyond that what has prevented muslims from elevating themselves up through the russian political system undetected? appearing only as russians?


21 posted on 10/15/2005 7:39:52 PM PDT by jackson29
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hope they don't expect the "evil" George Bush to help them defend against this threat.


22 posted on 10/15/2005 8:34:52 PM PDT by Jorge (Q)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Remember this:

Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon According to a former top Bush administration official, Russian special forces teams moved weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq to Syria. "I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml

I still believe that Iraq had the WMD's that the whole world thought they had and where they may have ended up scares the cr*p out of me. Does it bother anyone else that Iran is just way too cocky for a hostile regime that is surrounded by the most powerful military in the world? I can understand their mistaken belief that we are too extended to put boots on the ground in Iran, but it just seems too far fetched to believe that they don't fear what we could do to them from the air, unless they believe they have something that could prevent it.

23 posted on 10/15/2005 8:57:08 PM PDT by txroadkill (Go Cowboys!)
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To: All

The Russian Bear has only been in hibernation.


24 posted on 10/15/2005 9:03:57 PM PDT by misharu (How to fight the ACLU: G.O.D.gear: www.cafepress.com/usrepublicgear)
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To: misharu

indeed . right now russia has their hands full with home grown terror. now i know why they have started an aggressive push back. don't be surprised when iran supplies info and help with their new attitude . iran knows russia will take every one within range with them if they feel really threatend. europe is a head fake . except for the brits europe is no threat to anything except their culture.


25 posted on 10/15/2005 9:24:33 PM PDT by fantom
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To: M. Espinola
During this upcoming winter where Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hizballah are finally confronted by an Allied force - which side will the Russians back?

Ezekiel 38, they declare Jihad and invade Israel. But something has happened to America so that we are not there to stop them.

26 posted on 10/15/2005 11:13:25 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Frank T
Considering all the problems Russians have with jihaadism on their borders, why on earth would their leadership help the mullah dictatorship in Iran?

Afganistan, if you can't beat them, join them...

27 posted on 10/15/2005 11:14:26 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
Ezekiel 38, they declare Jihad and invade Israel. But something has happened to America so that we are not there to stop them.

We got 27,000 nuclear warheads. Well of course there is the idiots in state department that are anti-Israel, but last I checked, the State Department does not handle military policy.

28 posted on 10/15/2005 11:18:30 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Oom (Translation: Shut the F*** up UN))
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To: DoctorZIn; derheimwill; Entebbe; Evolution; freedom44; nuconvert; knighthawk; MadIvan; STFrancis; ..

ping


29 posted on 10/15/2005 11:28:23 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: West Coast Conservative

Well, let's hope their nukes will hit Berlin and Paris to kill some Anti-American Euroliberals, if they ever succeed. Every Euroliberal that bites the dirt is good for the world.


30 posted on 10/15/2005 11:30:40 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz
"Well, let's hope their nukes will hit Berlin and Paris to kill some Anti-American Euroliberals.."

Not a bad idea lol

31 posted on 10/16/2005 12:56:13 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: American in Israel
"Ezekiel 38, they declare Jihad and invade Israel. But something has happened to America so that we are not there to stop them."

I don't even like whispering the name 'Hillary', that could be the deleterious thing which happens to America and then Ezekiel 38 runs like prophetic clock work.

32 posted on 10/16/2005 12:58:30 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Hillery. I hope to g-d she is not elected in 2008.


33 posted on 10/16/2005 1:00:05 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Oom (Translation: Shut the F*** up UN))
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To: misharu; All

Exactly! And as long as Russia, Iran N. Korea and the rest think that they can get away with all this sh!t with no repercussions they will keep doing it. The hard hand of the US or Israel is all they understand. As long as we remain "soft" they will do anything they feel like doing.
You would think we might "get" it after while.


34 posted on 10/16/2005 5:11:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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To: M. Espinola
"The damn Russians have a lot of nerve helping the worst Islamic terrorist rouge state on the face of the earth with gaining long range offensive nuclear weapons. Yet we are told now Moscow is our friend (?)"

How else will "Russia" ever reclaim a superpower status? The pro-Moscow posters will come along and claim Russia is just looking out for themselves the "Christian way", you did know that Putin is a "Christian" didn't you???? (sarcasm)
35 posted on 10/16/2005 5:44:11 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: West Coast Conservative

I think it is time to support the Chechen resistance with some Nukes too.


36 posted on 10/16/2005 6:43:13 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: jb6

ping


37 posted on 10/16/2005 6:43:24 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Just mythoughts

Yeah I have heard that crap before from some of these posters and I do not trust them or the russian government, and never will. Is it a coincidence that every crisis after WW2 has had russia on the other side fighting a proxy war against the west
or arming and funding the opposition? Russia and China have abused their power in the UNSC to veto resolution after resolution to the point of the UNSC becoming a joke.They have their own little alliance called the SCO(Shanghai Cooperation Organization) and are now starting to flex a some muscle. The US and EU need to wake up these people plan to be the superpower bloc in the near future.


38 posted on 10/16/2005 2:23:54 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Oh I forgot Iran is a memeber of the SCO with "observer status". They are trying to get India to.


39 posted on 10/16/2005 2:25:25 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: M. Espinola

I expect Russia and China to complete their plans on invasion of the United States when their plans on Jihad uprise in the Middle East and Asia come to fruit.

I expect it will be a Russian made SS-26 missile delivering a Islamic Bomb full of Russian enriched Plutonium over our troops massed to invade Iran that will trigger North Koreas invasion and Chinas invasion of Taiwan.

Once our Military is drawn fully into survival mode overseas, our Coastline will be nuked and invaded with no military or national guard defense of the coop, the fox will have its day with the hens.

That is why there will be no opposition to Russias plans for the Middle East oil jackpot. America as a free Nation will no longer exist at that point.

As planned...


40 posted on 10/16/2005 10:54:08 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Paul_Denton

27,000 nuclear warheads do not do you much good, if your military is in Iran under a half a dozen of them and the rest are locked up in a vault under big craters on the coast line.

Clintoon changed how we handle our nukes, concentrating them in bunkers under lock and key. But then I think Clintoon was not on our side.


41 posted on 10/16/2005 10:56:51 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Guess who's coming to Palestine? Russian advisers arrive, missiles to follow
Israel Insider | October 15, 2005 | israelinsider staff and partners
Posted on 10/15/2005 4:40:28 PM PDT by SeriousSassy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503177/posts


42 posted on 10/17/2005 8:27:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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He's "Putin" the USSR back together, and is an enemy of the US and democracy.

Putin's voodoo doll
The American Thinker | Nov. 26, 2004 | A.M. Mora y Leon
Posted on 11/26/2004 11:47:55 AM PST by Kitten Festival
http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-bloggers/1288943/posts

Terror Close to Home In Venezuela,
a volatile leader befriends Mideast, Colombia and Cuba
U.S. News and World Report | October 6, 2003 | Linda Robinson
Posted on 10/02/2003 2:26:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/993592/posts

Venezuela to Buy 50 Russian Mig-29 Fighters
Mosnews | September 17, 2004 | Mosnews
Posted on 09/18/2004 10:55:07 AM PDT by klpt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1219918/posts

Venezuela, Iran Presidents Hold Talks On OPEC Policy
(Scummy and Scummier)
Dow Jones
Posted on 11/29/2004 4:36:49 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1290195/posts

Chavez sells US treasuries moves reserves to Euro!
AP
Posted on 10/01/2005 1:18:31 AM PDT by BlackJack
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1494702/posts

President Putin Says Cold War Between Russia and U.S. Impossible
kommersant. | Sep. 28, 2005
Posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:11 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492557/posts


43 posted on 10/17/2005 8:43:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: American in Israel
"That is why there will be no opposition to Russia's plans for the Middle East oil jackpot. America as a free Nation will no longer exist at that point."

Unfortunately I believe this monstrous plan may very well be the deleterious quagmire of no return we shall discover ourselves confronting as Putin & the Red China sucker everyone in via 'free' trade, while they are arming to the teeth and supplying Iran, Syria, who in turn are arming Hamas, Hizballah and other Islamic death cultists. It also looks like all the key geostrategic chess players are maneuvering in place.

Confirming Data:

Israel Remembers Auschwitz, Keeps Eye on Syria, Iran Nukes

SS-26 Stone / Iskander (-E)

RUSSIA BARES ITS TEETH TO ISRAEL

Enter Hugo..

Venezuela seeks nuclear technology

Iskander / SS-26

Check out this data from last Jan-05:

"Russia plans to add two new submarines and seven Topol-M ICBMs to its strategic arsenal, First Deputy Defense Minister Col.-Gen. Alexander Belousov said Friday (see GSN, Jan. 6). The two planned submarines are set to be armed with the new Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile, he said (Vladimir Radyuhin, The Hindu, Jan. 30).source "

And this:

"Russia plans to purchase six S-400 air-defense systems this year, according to Deputy Defense Minister Oleg Belousov (see GSN, Jan. 21)." source "

"The S-400 antimissile system has a range of up to 240 miles, Agence France-Presse reported. Belousov did not say where the systems would be deployed or discuss their anticipated cost (Agence France-Presse, Jan. 28)."

US Opposes Russian Missile Sale to Syria

"The United States Wednesday registered its opposition to a reported pending sale of advanced Russian surface-to-surface missiles to Syria. Such action could lead to U.S. sanctions against Russian exporters."

"Syria has long had a large arsenal of Soviet-era Scud ground-to-ground missiles. But news reports from Russia say Moscow is ready to sell the Damascus government a vastly updated version of the Scud, the Iskander or SS-26 missile, that would be capable of pinpoint strikes against targets within a 300 kilometer range, which would include all Israeli territory."

This too..

3M14 Bulava SS-N-30

Also:

Moscow Arms Assad with a Top-Flight Surface to Surface Missile

Politics & Policies: Syria on the warpath?

And these:

Russia has pledged to complete development of a surface-to-surface missile that has been marketed to Iran and Syria.

SS-X-27 TOPOL M

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SS-27 - Topol-M (Bulava is a submarine launched version of the SS-27)the SS-27 is designed to be able to withstand nuclear blasts closer than 500 m

The SS-27 is currently portrayed as being immune to any ABM defense the United States can put into being. The missile is capable of making evasive maneuvers as it approaches the target, enabling it to evade any terminal phase interceptors. It almost certainly also carries countermeasures and decoys to increase the chances of its success.

The warhead is shielded against radiation, electromagnetic interference and physical disturbance; previous missiles could be disabled by detonating a nuclear warhead within ten kilometers (6 miles). This vulnerability is the basis behind the use of nuclear ground-based interceptors, to detonate or damage the missile before it reaches its target.

However, the SS-27 is designed to be able to withstand nuclear blasts closer than 500 m, a difficult interception when combined with the terminal phase speed and maneuverability. While the boost phase is the most vulnerable time for the SS-27, it remains protected. Hidden safely within missile silos and mobile launchers, a successful boost-phase interceptor would have to be fired from near or within Russian borders or from space.

The SS-27 is also designed to survive a strike from any laser technology available, rendering any current space-based laser useless. The missile highlights the need for considerably more research into missile defenses, as the United States is currently defenseless while Russia is protected by a functional defense system.

The SS-27 can currently strike any target within the continental United States and the placement of SS-NX-30 missiles would enable worldwide deployment.

The placement of such advanced missiles on modern submarines would make it nearly impossible to successfully prevent a missile launch, while current ABM technology is insufficient to prevent its successful impact. As a solid propellant design, it can be maintained on alert for prolonged periods of time and can launch within minutes of being given the order.

Its confirmed single 550 kT warhead is sufficient for the depopulation of cities, which combined with its survivability, makes it an ideal retaliatory weapon. The SS-27 and the SS-NX-30 enables Russia to guarantee a successful nuclear response.

The SS-27 and the SS-NX-30 also have considerable utility as a first strike weapon.source

Strategic Nuclear Forces of the World, April 2005

Moscow rebuffs Rice effort to take Iran nuclear issue to UN

Israel Maintains Option To Strike Iran Nukes

Target = Mullahs & their nukes & any Russian advisors..

(Russia and China oppose any sanctions against Iran. Taking direct aim at the United States, Ahmadinejad accused "those who have actually used nuclear weapons, ...{Israel News Agency, Israel 10-18-2005}

America's Catastrophic Nuclear Administration

44 posted on 10/18/2005 1:12:47 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for posting those eye opening links.

Somebody planning for a major war, the question is are we ready and able to counter these multi-threats?

45 posted on 10/18/2005 1:16:24 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Egads!


46 posted on 10/18/2005 8:15:40 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: M. Espinola

Which side? The winning side of course. They'll wait until the battle is almost over and then lend their support to the winning side.


47 posted on 10/18/2005 8:17:00 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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