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Half the Army's combat vehicles 'unfit for war'-(GB)
Telegraph ^ | 16/10/2005 | By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent

Posted on 10/16/2005 7:04:08 AM PDT by Flavius

The war in Iraq has rendered hundreds of the Army's combat vehicles unfit for operational service.

The Ministry of Defence's own figures show that more than 50 per cent of its ageing combat reconnaissance vehicles - which were first used in the 1960s - are not fit for service because of mechanical problems.

The figures also reveal that less than 50 per cent of the Army's 328 Scimitar combat reconnaissance vehicles, which are used by the Household Cavalry and have seen service in both Iraq wars, the Falklands and Bosnia, are in working order. Alarmingly, because of mechanical failure, only just over half of the Army's Samaritan armoured ambulances could be deployed on operations.

In the worst cases, those units equipped with the Sturgeon and Salamander version of the combat reconnaissance vehicle, which is used in training in an anti-tank role, had none in working order.

The figures also show that of the Army's 622 Saxon vehicles - the military's only armoured, wheeled troop-transporter - only 169 are working. Altogether only 1,483 of the Army's 3,340 combat reconnaissance class vehicle s are in working order.

In November 2003, The Sunday Telegraph revealed that half of the Army's tank corps had been crippled by the war in Iraq.

Figures released by the Government showed that whole armoured regiments had been stopped in their tracks by mechanical failure of Challenger tanks and Warrior armoured personnel carriers.

The latest set of figures emerged in response to Parliamentary questions from Ann Winterton, the Tory MP for Congleton, Cheshire, to Adam Ingram, the Armed Forces minister.

Mrs Winterton said: "The information gained from this series of questions is devastating. Questions need to be asked of the Secretary of State for Defence as to why this situation has been allowed to occur. It looks to me that the facade that is presented to the British people that the country has a sound defence has been shattered into a thousand pieces."

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: "All our vehicle fleets require regular maintenance and for this reason it is MoD policy not to have all of its vehicles marked as being 'available' to the front line, when not deployed on operations.

"Our maintenance programmes are sufficiently flexible to ensure that we can meet increased demands for vehicles from front-line commands to meet operational need."


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KEYWORDS: armour; greatbritain; iraq; oif; uktroops
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saxon

1 posted on 10/16/2005 7:04:09 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Samaritan

2 posted on 10/16/2005 7:07:11 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Flavius

The war in Iraq has rendered hundreds of the Army's combat vehicles unfit for operational service.

I'd never have guessed. Thank goodness for xpertz.

3 posted on 10/16/2005 7:12:01 AM PDT by elli1
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That is a drip under pressure. Is the Telegraph a paper that is believable or is it another New Yourk Slimes?
4 posted on 10/16/2005 7:15:51 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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That is a drip under pressure. Is the Telegraph a paper that is believable or is it another New Yourk Slimes?

It's a consevative paper.

5 posted on 10/16/2005 7:21:07 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Flavius

Garage Sale!


6 posted on 10/16/2005 7:21:43 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Flavius
"Scimitar, Samaritan, Sturgeon, Salamander and Saxon"

No wonder Monty Python was such a hit.

"How's your Scimitar today 1st Sergeant?"
"Bloody awful sir, but my Salamander is fine."
"Excellent! What about the Sturgeon?"
"The Sturgeon"? Oh we had that for dinner."
"No you twit, I mean the vehicle!"
"Well it could use a good Samaritan as it was clobbered by a Saxon.
I swear the Brits must have an official Funny Name Department
8 posted on 10/16/2005 7:32:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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well, i keep hitting various fisheries trying to find a picture of the sturgeon...

no luck..

9 posted on 10/16/2005 7:36:48 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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Sturgeon?
10 posted on 10/16/2005 7:42:50 AM PDT by elli1
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i think thats Scimitar... but i've only beenp on my GB armor from this morning ... so i have no idea


11 posted on 10/16/2005 7:44:32 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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Came up on Google images but sometimes the pix have the wrong label.


12 posted on 10/16/2005 7:51:00 AM PDT by elli1
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Is this guy bitching just to bitch or is he suggesting the Brits spend eleventy billion on new stuff?


13 posted on 10/16/2005 7:54:40 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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Here's one:

And if you want to catch one, try fishing in Wisconsin.

To my knowledge sturgeon are the only living creature in Wisconsin that outnumber Packer Fans - well, maybe its a tie.

(kidding, slightly)

14 posted on 10/16/2005 7:57:10 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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they are suppose to be good to eat... and there is the caviar thing...

but they are protected correcT?


15 posted on 10/16/2005 8:00:29 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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its MSM does not matter which side of the pond they are on...

so bitching i believe is journalism's 101 class
16 posted on 10/16/2005 8:01:38 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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They can sell them to Canada:)


17 posted on 10/16/2005 8:07:04 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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To: GBoettner

The Liberal government has starved the UK defense budget for years to fund the socialist state. These armored vehicles could be fixed if there was more money for repairs.


18 posted on 10/16/2005 8:09:19 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Flavius

Export-only variants include Scorpion 90, with a 90mm Belgian Cockerill AT gun, and various tweaked and rearmoured variants of Scorpion and Scimitar. A 120mm variant called Sturgeon is also in service with the Fantasian Armed Forces based in Alberta, Canada, as part of the OPFOR in BATUS. The ones in BATUS SALAMANDERS and are old SCORPIONS used in the TES phase in BATUS, just like a big game of lazer quest. Programmed to represent a T80 complete with AT 5 capabillity. Regularly whip the arse of visiting BG. STURGEON is the old SPARTAN MCT also TES ex phase and with capabillities of a BMP 3

Source

Not sure how legit the source is...

19 posted on 10/16/2005 8:16:03 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Condor51

We've caught (more like 'snagged') several of those critters--small ones. They're so ugly, they're scarey. Not quite as creepy as catching a water dog, though.


20 posted on 10/16/2005 8:19:07 AM PDT by elli1
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