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1 posted on 10/18/2005 10:09:49 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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Shootings and other violent crimes have become so commonplace in Winnipeg, especially in the impoverished northern and central parts of the city, that some streets are empty at dusk.

Can't be true - the politicians said that if were approved draconian gun control laws, we will all be safer...

2 posted on 10/18/2005 10:14:41 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Shootings and other violent crimes have become so commonplace in Winnipeg, especially in the impoverished northern and central parts of the city, that some streets are empty at dusk.

Can't be true - the politicians said that if we approved draconian gun control laws, we will all be safer...

3 posted on 10/18/2005 10:14:55 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Most of the victims of violent crime are aboriginals, Third "World immigrants, gang members, homeless people or transients. Their deaths often pass without much notice.

But Mr. Haiart was the son of a well-known Winnipeg surgeon and recent graduate of the up-market St. John's-Ravenscourt School. His death has sent a shiver of fear through Winnipeg's mostly white middle class.

Ms. Van Dreser's mother, Susan, a Unitarian minister, said: "Society becomes sick when there's constant violence. We don't want to live in fear and anger all the time."

As the old adage goes, a conservative is a liberal who's just been mugged..


4 posted on 10/18/2005 10:17:57 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Honest officer, I wasn't speeding.....I was qualifying)
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Multi- culturalism, Isn't it wonderful?


5 posted on 10/18/2005 10:20:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Mr. Haiart was the 22nd homicide victim in Winnipeg this year.

Detroit has more than that in a month....

Mike

6 posted on 10/18/2005 10:26:38 AM PDT by MichaelP (To win, one must risk loss.......)
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This article is obviously false. Canada has strict gun laws...

"Society becomes sick when there's constant violence."

No, genius. Society becomes violent when there's constant sickness--of the moral variety.
7 posted on 10/18/2005 10:30:07 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents can give their children are siblings.)
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ok, this article has a couple of things that seem like common sense to me. the biggest being harsher punishment. there are two things that will stop a person from commiting a crime: morals and fear of punishment. and fear of punishment trumps morals. how many crimes do you commit everyday, even if its a stupid law to begin with? speeding? not coming to a complete stop? not using a blinker? jay walking? stealing a pen? these are all little crimes that you are much more likely to not commit because you're afraid to get caught. and often we still do them because we know that even if caught, it's not that big of a punishment. which is exactly the problem with the criminal judicial system, just about anywhere. a guy beat someone to death with a bat and only got 2 years? that's a fitting punishment for petty theft maybe, but not such a brutal murder.
harsh punishments would be more of a deterrant to crime than anything else. if you know that you are likely to be put to death for murder, you're gonna really stop and think before you do it.


17 posted on 10/18/2005 11:08:45 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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17 and shacking up? From a middle class family but working as a roofer? I wonder why he would be strolling through a neighborhood being fought over by rival drug gangs.

His concubine's mother needs to work on her cross cultural outreach ministry instead of her gay/lesbian outreach. Looks like a good liberal from Vermont, who may have helped the Sandanistas.

Here's more on her mother:

"Reverend Susan Van Dreser has been the minister of the First Unitarian Universalist Church of Winnipeg since 1989. She grew up in Vermont, earned her BA in Creative Writing and English from Beloit College in Wisconsin, and her M. Div. from Harvard University School of Divinity.

After spending two years in Nicaragua, first doing peace work and then living on a mountain farm, Susan returned to the U.S. to serve three churches in northern Pennsylvania before coming to Winnipeg.

Since coming to Winnipeg Susan has served our association as a Good Officer’s Minister and has been president of the Unitarian Universalist Ministers of Canada. She currently chairs the Regional Sub-Committee on Candidacy of Canada (RSCC), a subcommittee of the Ministerial Fellowship Committee that overseas the formation of ministers. In Winnipeg she has been active in the Interfaith Roundtable and in support of gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgendered, and two-spirited rights.

In our church, Rev. Susan Van Dreser leads worship services, provides private counsel, teaches adult classes, leads new comer groups, provides rites of passages such as child dedications, marriages and memorial services. She also lectures in the community and leads workshops when requested.

Susan is the mother of two young-adult daughters. She is a voracious reader who loves to preach and to counsel, and in her spare time she gardens and binds books.

She may be reached through the church office at...."
http://www.uuwinnipeg.mb.ca/minister.shtml


19 posted on 10/18/2005 12:05:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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Mike, who owns the pizza store outside which Mr. Haiart collapsed, said he lives in terror. "Gang members come to eat at my place," he said. "You can tell if the guy is covered in jewellery and cellphones that he's a drug dealer. I just try to be polite even if they start wrecking the place."

Lack of firearms ownership will do that to you.

20 posted on 10/20/2005 5:26:22 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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