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Firefox sees 100 millionth download
Cnet ^ | 10/19/2005 | Jennifer Guevin

Posted on 10/19/2005 8:13:16 PM PDT by Panerai

st shy of Firefox's first birthday party, the Mozilla Foundation celebrated the 100 millionth download of its Web browser Wednesday.

Mozilla has seen steady adoption of its browser since its release last November. After a somewhat higher download rate immediately following its release, the browser has settled into between 200,000 and 300,000 downloads a day, said Asa Dotzler, the Mozilla liaison to the SpreadFirefox community.

"This is a great milestone. Our massive, worldwide community of grassroots marketers and users--not to mention the developers--have helped to put out a product that's really kicking butt," he said.

Firefox has enjoyed an enthusiastic user base the likes of which few companies in the tech industry experience. Thousands of volunteers help spread the word about the browser, participate in free support forums and discussion lists, and scour its code for flaws.

But the browser hasn't been without its problems. The number of reported security holes in Firefox continues to grow, and Symantec recently released a hotly contested report claiming that Mozilla browsers saw more reported vulnerabilities than Microsoft's Internet Explorer in the first half of 2005. In what could be construed as a shift in attitude toward the browser, its marketing Web site, SpreadFirefox.com, was brought down by hackers just last week.

However, the open nature of the Mozilla browsers allows the group to respond to new security threats quickly, and these developments haven't stunted adoption. If anything, Dotzler said, the company has seen a slight uptick in the past two months, which he attributed to new interest in other browsers and a renewed buzz surrounding the upcoming Firefox 1.5 release. If announcements of new security issues affected consumer adoption, it did so in both directions, Dotzler said.

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1 posted on 10/19/2005 8:13:16 PM PDT by Panerai
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To: Panerai
"The number of reported security holes in Firefox continues to grow, and Symantec recently released a hotly contested report claiming that Mozilla browsers saw more reported vulnerabilities than Microsoft's Internet Explorer in the first half of 2005."

Symantec: Makers of anti-virus programs that depend on the instability and insecurity of windows products for their livelihood.
2 posted on 10/19/2005 8:16:01 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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To: Panerai

Impressive, despite the tremendous counting errors involved.


3 posted on 10/19/2005 8:16:17 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Panerai

I love Firefox. The guy who created it should have charged $5 a download. He'd be a millionaire now.


4 posted on 10/19/2005 8:16:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Panerai

Well, since they keep releasing new versions, and I know I've downloaded at least seven of them, the download count certainly doesn't equal the user count. A nice try, though. ;)


5 posted on 10/19/2005 8:17:42 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: Panerai

I've been using Firefox for almost a year and despite all the reports of security problems, I really like Firefox, and will continue to use it


6 posted on 10/19/2005 8:19:19 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: Panerai

I downloaded Firefox today . . . what do I win?


7 posted on 10/19/2005 8:20:27 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I agree 100%, even .50 cents and he would be a multimillionaire
8 posted on 10/19/2005 8:20:29 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I keep having popups that there are new versions, but I am getting annoyed at having to reinstall all the extensions etc. so I have just stopped for now.


9 posted on 10/19/2005 8:23:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I have downloaded it 3 times, and I rarely use it. I do think it is pretty cool, and have recommended that we QA test our web apps with IE and Firefox. No need to waste time with the older Netscape versions.


10 posted on 10/19/2005 8:24:56 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: flashbunny

I've had far fewer "security" issues with firefox than with IE.


11 posted on 10/19/2005 8:29:38 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Panerai

I use Firefox 99% of the time. The only thing I dont like is the bookmark system. Other than that, I get less error with Firefox than IE.


12 posted on 10/19/2005 8:30:20 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: jess35

Before I switched to firefox, I only ran I.E. with activeX set to either disabled or 'prompt'. It made surfing more of a hassle, but it was the only way I'd surf with I.E.

Whatever security issues firefox may have, they're usually fixed within days and relatively minor compared to the huge, gaping holes in IE.


13 posted on 10/19/2005 8:32:21 PM PDT by flashbunny (What is more important: Loyalty to principles, or loyalty to personalities?)
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To: Panerai

I plan to give Firefox a try next week.

I've read it's faster and better than IE. Is that true?

(Sorry, I can't reply to any comments until morning because the wife just called from the bedroom and she needs a massage :-) )


14 posted on 10/19/2005 8:51:26 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: flashbunny

Firefox will have its share. As does Linux and other such distros. There's nothing like an illusion of invulnerability to breed whole populations of lazy users that don't think they need to keep up with regular patches.


15 posted on 10/19/2005 8:57:33 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 900 knives and counting!)
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17 posted on 10/19/2005 9:08:03 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: sergeantdave
I don't notice any great speed increase, but I think overall it provides me with a better browsing experience..
18 posted on 10/19/2005 9:10:31 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: jess35

Me too.


19 posted on 10/19/2005 9:12:34 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: rwfromkansas
I keep having popups that there are new versions, but I am getting annoyed at having to reinstall all the extensions etc. so I have just stopped for now.

You shouldn't have to reinstall extensions. If they are compatible with the new version, and most of them are, there shouldn't be a problem. The profile and installed extensions are kept in another folder so that they're not wiped out when the old copy of the browser is uninstalled. i've always downloaded the extensions, and kept copies of them in a separate file.

i don't know for certain, but i believe that one no longer needs to remove the previous version to upgrade to the new one.

20 posted on 10/19/2005 10:05:10 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: jess35
I've had far fewer "security" issues with firefox than with IE.

In soite of Symantec's comments that Firefox is more insecure than IE, note that when an issue is found in FF/Mozilla, it gets fixed very quickly. With IE, Microsoft tends to wait until an announced flaw is actually exploited before they get their proverbial thumb out of their nether orfice and come up with a patch. Add to that, if any of the Firefox faults HAD been exploited, they still would not be as serious as any of the known exploits that target Internet Exploder, er, explorer...

I will continue to use Firefox, thank you!

21 posted on 10/19/2005 10:35:24 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (What part of John 14:6 don't you get?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I love Firefox. The guy who created it should have charged $5 a download. He'd be a millionaire now.

Math wasn't a strong subject of yours, was it?
22 posted on 10/19/2005 10:40:19 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: rwfromkansas
but I am getting annoyed at having to reinstall all the extensions etc.

If you have to reinstall all the extensions each time you update FF, maybe you're doing it wrong.. If you're on a Windows machine, use control panel/add-remove software to remove the old version. When it gets done you will get a notice that says something along the lines of 'not all files were removed' or 'directory not removed' or something like that (wording depends on Win version) and asks if you want to remove the remaining files/directory. Tell it NO. Then reinstall the new version of Firefox. It will find your old files, extensions, bookmarks, and everything. (Now, if you're not on a Win machine, maybe you should check Mozilla.org for info...)

23 posted on 10/19/2005 10:42:09 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (What part of John 14:6 don't you get?)
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To: sergeantdave
I've read it's faster and better than IE. Is that true?

I've been using Firfox almost exclusively for about a year. I went to IE a few days ago to try a website that wouldn't load in Firefox, and couldn't believe how slow IE was.
24 posted on 10/19/2005 10:43:26 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: sergeantdave
I've read it's faster and better than IE. Is that true?

Convoluted answer here... On the largest percentage of web pages that use web standard coding, FF renders the page faster than IE. HOWEVER, since MS has enjoyed a monopoly in many areas of software, there are a significant number of web pages out there that were coded using (for instance) MS Frontpage software and or Active X. These are non-standard pages (unless you are a die-hard MS koolaide drinker) and will give Firefox/Mozilla fits. (It should be pointed out that one of the BIG reasons that IE is so insecure is because it supports axtive-x - which allows web pages to download and execute stuff on your machine without your even knowing its doing it..) For these pages, you will need to keep IE handy (although I have started avoiding them. IF they want me to visit, they need to redo their pages to be more standard-friendly...)

I use Firefox, and have used it since before it was to the 1.0 version. I'm keeping it.

25 posted on 10/19/2005 10:51:32 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (What part of John 14:6 don't you get?)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
i don't know for certain, but i believe that one no longer needs to remove the previous version to upgrade to the new one.

I'm not sure if it is recommended anymore or not. I just do it as a matter of course (and because I've learned that Windows is less flakey that way!) If you're on a Windows machine, it shouldn't matter anyway because, as you say, all the stuff that needs to be remembered is in the profile folder and not the program folder (as long as you don't tell add/remove to remove them!)

26 posted on 10/19/2005 10:55:44 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (What part of John 14:6 don't you get?)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I should explain I mean they will be there, but I get a note saying I need an update for bugmenot or something....I don't know exactly, it has been awhile since I updated.


27 posted on 10/19/2005 11:33:38 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
I keep having popups that there are new versions, but I am getting annoyed at having to reinstall all the extensions etc. so I have just stopped for now.

You need this:

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28 posted on 10/20/2005 1:24:06 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

One neat little feature of Firefox is the ability to increase {or decrease} the font size of articles simply by using the control + keys {or control - to decrease size}. This is really great when you flip from article to article on different locations. It is really a boon for people suffering from "old man's eyes" {such as USS Alaska}.


29 posted on 10/20/2005 5:44:42 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Panerai

I use it also. I have had much less problems than when I had IE. However, the primary reason for that is because hackers are not writing viruses for it yet. If it becomes too popular, they will start. Wonder when that will be. Looks like soon as popular as it is getting.


30 posted on 10/20/2005 5:59:00 AM PDT by jim_trent
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However, the primary reason for that is because hackers are not writing viruses for it yet. If it becomes too popular, they will start.

If that was the case wouldn't their be more holes, viruses, and other serious security problems with Apache than with Microsoft IIS?

31 posted on 10/20/2005 6:29:20 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: rwfromkansas
but I am getting annoyed at having to reinstall all the extensions etc.

The extensions should be there after you update. When you first run Firefox again, it will look for updates to the extensions that are compatible with the new Firefox and warn you of which ones don't have compatible updates.

32 posted on 10/20/2005 8:45:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: NoCmpromiz; sergeantdave
These are non-standard pages (unless you are a die-hard MS koolaide drinker) and will give Firefox/Mozilla fits

There only one thing for which IE is better than Firefox. It's not just MS-specific pages that render better in IE, but pages with broken HTML in general. IE is much more forgiving for these pages.

33 posted on 10/20/2005 8:48:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Well, since they keep releasing new versions, and I know I've downloaded at least seven of them, the download count certainly doesn't equal the user count. A nice try, though. ;)

I've downloaded it several times. OTOH, I've also used the same downloaded installer on multiple computers. If you're a business, you've downloaded it once and installed in possibly hundreds. But then we have the people like you, and the people who have downloaded it only to remove it.

SWAG, maybe max 70 million computers running Firefox off of those 100 million downloads.

34 posted on 10/20/2005 8:48:25 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Just a thought... Many Linux distros package FireFox so there are workstations ouththere running it that have neverdownloaded off the site...


35 posted on 10/20/2005 10:43:01 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Panerai
The beauty of Open-Source.

Have been using Firefox for a little over a year now, and it's probably the most reliable thing on my folks' computer.

Though I still can't convince my dad to switch over from Netscape 6 to Firefox :(

36 posted on 10/20/2005 12:01:43 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Liberalism: How can we stick our feet in our mouth today??)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Do you have a link for the BBCode download for Mac?

I got the Firefox download for Mac with no trouble, and it works fine - but your recommendation about the BBCode for fromatting was what motivated me to try it. And I'm having no luck getting it.

37 posted on 10/20/2005 1:01:28 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: jess35

Same here. Way less problems with firefox..great browser


38 posted on 10/20/2005 1:03:36 PM PDT by binkdeville
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I am pretty sure the xpi is cross platform.

http://jedbrown.net/1.0/mozilla/extensions/


39 posted on 10/20/2005 1:13:18 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
OK, I went there and clicked install - gave permission, and it told me to restart Firefox. Interesting that it didn't need to ask me my Unix password . . .

[I]is this italics?[/I]

I don't see any help for HTML

40 posted on 10/20/2005 3:19:30 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: birbear

????

$5 x 100,000,000 = $500,000,000

Perhaps math wasn't YOUR strong subject.


41 posted on 10/20/2005 3:26:00 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino
hehehehe...

That's funny.

Everybody around me read it as a millionaire as somebody having a million dollars... (exactly a million dollars.)

I guess you could read it as somebody who had at least a million dollars.

I guess the post should have read, "If he had charged $5 for each download, he'd be a millionare several times over."

Either way, my reply shouldn't have been so flippant, and I apologize.
42 posted on 10/20/2005 3:36:29 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
[I]is this italics?[/I]

It is in BBCode language, which this forum doesn't recognize. There are separate submenus for BBCode, HTML, and XHTML. If you can't see the submenu options for HTML, click Settings and check the box for Enable HTML. If you don't post on any other forums, you can probably uncheck all the other options to eliminate the confusion.

Hope that makes sense, it is a bit confusing that the name of the extension (BBCode) is the same as one of the languages it supports (BBCode).

43 posted on 10/20/2005 4:05:02 PM PDT by ecurbh (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: birbear

No worries, I read it the first way and in any event I shouldn't have posted a snippy reply--I apologize too!


44 posted on 10/20/2005 4:23:15 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: N3WBI3
Just a thought... Many Linux distros package FireFox so there are workstations ouththere running it that have neverdownloaded off the site..<\i>

And have never patched it (which requires another full download) once?

45 posted on 10/20/2005 4:50:48 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: rzeznikj at stout

You're still at home stuck using your dad's computer? That would explain a lot.


46 posted on 10/20/2005 4:55:58 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

When I patch firefox its with a yum update of off fedora. I dont download updates..


47 posted on 10/20/2005 5:47:27 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Golden Eagle
Thats not a kind reply to a very innocuous post..
48 posted on 10/20/2005 5:48:22 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
Thats not a kind reply to a very innocuous post..

Consistency has some value, though, don't you think? I think it is the artificial colors in the koolaid. Affects your nervous system and makes you cranky.

49 posted on 10/20/2005 7:54:42 PM PDT by chronic_loser
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To: chronic_loser

At least he has an excuse. As for you other boys, LMAO


50 posted on 10/20/2005 9:46:06 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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