I've noticed that a lot of people on FR will not even accept this as a fact. They argue instead that one is not homosexual unless actually engaging in gay sex.
He advises homosexuals who find themselves unable to make the conversion to heterosexuality to do what he did -- that is, to remain celibate and seek a relationship with Jesus.
In other words Rev. Wilkins believes that there is such thing as a celibate homosexual, which many here have argued against.
You are completely correct. Whether it is genetic or based on
the early childhood environment it is not a choice. The exception, would be those who acquire homosexual addictions while incarcerated.
It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."
PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.
They are two different issues.
Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."
If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.
Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.
It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."
PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.
They are two different issues.
Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."
If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.
Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.
It seems to be you and person's who insist as you do about the importance, issue of "celibacy among priests."
PRIESTLY VOWS, what it takes, so to speak, to become a member of the Priesthood, vows declared and affirmed by individuals before God, declare an acceptance and dedication to celibacy AND CHASTITY.
They are two different issues.
Celibacy to many without chastity is simply an issue of mechanical function. And, as many of us have been discussing here, celibacy to many homosexuals in their approach to and about the priesthood simply means they agree not to marry. They do not honor the vows as to chastity and continue to affirm and insist upon an identity (and for many, behaviors) as to "homosexual" and "homosexuality."
If CHASTITY is present in a person, that entire issue would not be present, either.
Celibacy AND CHASTITY. To most -- at least who I continue to read from and about -- who declare themselves as homosexuals, they continue to denigrate and completely ignore the entire issue of chastity. CHASTITY is a significant aspect to the vows for the Priesthood.
I am suggesting, also, that you include in your figuring there the very important position of the Catholic Church and that is that homosexuality represents a disorded state of reasoning. It's DISORDED in personality and thought within the Christian reference.
So, this calls into question the character of those who identify as homosexuals and with homosexuality and behaviors as to their character.
It does not mean that persons with that or any disordered state in person are turned away from the faith. It means that they are not considered qualified for the Priesthood. Or should not be, as per what Pope Benedict has said. Also as per earlier positions from the Church, although various bishops have by self determination refused to abide by the position and taken it upon themselves to affirm a defilement of the position itself, as with the Church, accordingly.
They just haven't thought it all the way through. As difficult as it can get helping folks see past their current mindset, I encourage you do keep trying!
I've noticed that a lot of people on FR will not even accept this as a fact.
The fallacy is that this is an either/or type of thing. Perhaps there are those who are hardcore homosexuals, who absolutely were born this way. Then there are the "tweeners", then there are the hardcore hetero's. I believe that for the tweeners, it is something of a "choice", in that they choose to immerse themselves in a culture which then promotes gayness.
This is my theory, and I am sticking to it. It comes from many years now of dealing with homosexuals within my family, and their friends.