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To: BykrBayb
Not babbling about a thing. Just a statement that the decision to keep him alive has been made for now. Leave it to WND to bother posting that fact at the very end after your sort gets hyped up and on your horse. And yet you post phone numbers that non South Carolinians can call and bother local individuals (as if it's any of your business).

I thought I'd throw in a Scientology jab as some apparently think the state of Florida is practically run by Scientologists.

78 posted on 10/24/2005 8:53:06 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

I wasn't discussing Scientology. I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

There is nothing to suggest that his wife has given up trying to deprive him of the treatment he needs and has clearly stated he wants.

Since when is murder a private matter, only to be discussed by those who approve of murder? I noticed you didn't say it's none of your business. It's just none of my business because I don't approve of murder. And it's none of anyone else's business, unless they do approve of murder. No one is entitled to speak their minds on the subject, except you, and anyone else who supports forced euthanasia. I guess because you advocate involuntary euthanasia it's your business.

Refresh my memory. Did you also try to stop people from saving Mae Magouirk's life? Did you take it hard when the attempt to torture her to death was foiled, thanks in part to those of us who stepped over you and did the right thing? If Jimmy Chambers is allowed to live, in accordance with his stated wishes, will you become even more bitter?


81 posted on 10/24/2005 9:15:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: billbears
I refuse to get pulled back into the Schiavo flame threads, but I want to Thank You for saying what many others are probably feeling.

Not everything in life is as cynical as Freepers make them out to be (or WND for that matter). I am strongly on the side of spouses normally, and because I saw a case of a stress decision up close I will not automatically side with the children. I think these cases are way to complex, personal, and individual to write up in a newspaper, and to take sides.

Three years ago, my Grandfather was failing fast. He became unable to swallow food without choking, and aspirating everything. He also had a living will in place that state no ventilators, or feeding tubes. When he was healthy, his greatest joy in life was a good meal, at a good restaurant. He would plan vacations around the 5 star restaurants he wanted to visit.

By the time he had the feeding problems, he was also diagnosed as terminal. But he was still lucid. The doctors asked him if he intended to fulfill his living will, and would still refuse the feeding tube. During a moment of what I can only describe as fear of dying, he told the Dr. to put the tube in. His Dr. then went to my Grandma and told her that if she thought he was not lucid they could petition the court to transfer decision making to her. She knew she could never live with herself if she did that so she had the Dr. put the tube in. Within 2 days, he was miserable. All of the joy of life left, and he was depressed and solemn. He wanted to have the tube withdrawn, but because of legal implications, it is much easier to put it in, than to remove it. The Dr. refused.

He spent the last two months of his life miserable, and bitter, and to this day, my Grandma wonders what could have been. She is racked with guilt, and the last memories of her life long partner are not happy. For that reason, I am always hesitant to "side" with anyone but a long term spouse.

Before all of my fellow Freepers scream about my love of death (believe me I went through it all during the Schiavo ordeal), please remember there is always two sides to every story. And to you Billbears, Thank You for not backing down.

153 posted on 11/02/2005 2:39:44 PM PST by codercpc
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