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Yes on Prop. 76 Time to end reckless state spending binge
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 10/21/05 | San Diego Union Tribune

Posted on 10/21/2005 11:20:49 AM PDT by etlib

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Good editorial in the U-T
1 posted on 10/21/2005 11:20:58 AM PDT by etlib
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PROP	Desc                                                  ARNIE	MCCLINTOCK	SHKN SURVEY
73	Teen abort waiting period.............................YES.......YES.............PICK
74	Pub school Teachers Waiting Period....................YES.......YES.............PICK
75	Pub Employee Union Dues Pol Contribs..................YES.......YES.............WINNING
76	State spending limits.................................YES.......YES.............LOSING
77	Redistricting.........................................YES.......YES.............PICK
78	Prescrip Drug Discounts (initiative statute)..........YES.......NO..............WINNING
79	Prescrip Drug Discounts (state-negotiated rebates)....NO........NO..............LOSING
80	Regulation of Electric Service Providers..............NO........NO..............LOSING

2 posted on 10/21/2005 11:22:41 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: etlib

You don;t have to excerpt articles or opinions from this paper.

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Unfortunately ,,

Prop 76 locks in the bulk of the spending at high sustained rates of the last few years including the 2 years worth of budgets proposed by the Gub.

and it does not prevent additional new spending to sustain the frenzy to spend in Sacramento.

nor has the Gub indicated he is either able or amenable to making cuts.


3 posted on 10/21/2005 11:29:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BurbankKarl; DoctorZIn; seenenuf; RonDog; abigail2; StoneColdGOP; SevenofNine; Cinnamon Girl; ...

ping


4 posted on 10/21/2005 11:44:07 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: etlib
Lots of sky will be falling here in Colorado if C and D don't pass.

C and D will gut our Tabor amendment and even has the support of our Republican Governor.

Good news, though. Looks like both referenda aren't doing well in the polls.

What is really silly is that they claim it isn't a tax increase.

Probably what bugs the bureaucrats the most is that they have to return money back to the citizens.

Which follows their goofy logic that all money that they collect becomes theirs. Including all required refunds. How arrogant!
5 posted on 10/21/2005 11:46:27 AM PDT by dhs12345 (w)
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To: martin_fierro
The Reason Foundation's analysis of Prop 76

Pete Wilson's budget director warns about 76

My analysis of the Legislative Analyst Office's opinion on the consequences of Prop 76

6 posted on 10/21/2005 11:51:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: martin_fierro
I thought we were in better shape than that. Very unsettling.

Time to donate to Arnold's effort if you feel so inclined.

McClintock's got pro-prop 75 and 76 ads running on talk radio.

7 posted on 10/21/2005 11:52:29 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75! Prolife? YES on Prop 73!)
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To: martin_fierro

The SHKN Survey is hokie (as was the SurveyUSA poll).

The SHKN survey showed Prop 79 (the Dem/Union backed pharma measure) winning, not losing,
with more Republicans (62%) supporting it than Democrats (54%).
It does not compute.

http://www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp/docs/appendix%20to%2010-17-2005%20Hoover-KN%20press%20release%20V2.pdf



8 posted on 10/21/2005 12:17:22 PM PDT by calcowgirl (CA Special Election: Yes, Yes, Yes, No, No, No, No, No!)
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To: Carry_Okie
I'll add mine to your collection, as well as a good San Diego Union-Tribune article pointing some more of the pitfalls of Prop 76.
My post: Proposition 76 - A Conservative Argument for Voting "NO"

Prop. 76 prompts a fear of cuts
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 10/21/05 | Ed Mendel
Posted on 10/21/2005 9:59:27 AM PDT by NormsRevenge


9 posted on 10/21/2005 12:22:16 PM PDT by calcowgirl (CA Special Election: Yes, Yes, Yes, No, No, No, No, No!)
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To: etlib

Wish the Pacific NW states would have the same proposal to vote on.


10 posted on 10/21/2005 12:48:17 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: martin_fierro

This explains why Tom is recommending the votes yes or no on specific issues.

Voting recommendations from Tom McClintock

#73 – YES
#74 – YES
#75 – YES
#76 – YES
#77 – YES
#78 – NO
#79 – NO
#80 – NO

Proposition 73: Parental Notification for Abortion. If parental consent is required for a child to use a tanning booth or get her ears pierced, shouldn’t parents at least be notified if she’s getting an abortion? YES. Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, this should be the all-time no-brainer.

Proposition 74: Teacher Tenure. Do parents have a right to expect a higher level of competence before a teacher is granted life-time tenure? YES. This modest measure simply increases the teacher probation period from two years to five years.

Proposition 75: Public Employee Union Dues. Should public employees decide for themselves which candidates they will support with their own money? YES. This measure requires that before a public employee union can take money from that employee for political donations, it has to get the employee’s permission.

Proposition 76: State Spending. Should government live within its means? YES. This measure restores the authority that the governor of California had between 1939 and 1983 to make mid-year spending cuts whenever spending outpaces revenue without having to return to the legislature.

Proposition 77: Re-districting. Should voters choose their representatives in legislative districts that are drawn without regard to partisan advantage? YES. The most obvious conflict of interest in government is when politicians choose which voters will get to vote for them by drawing their own legislative district lines. This measure puts a stop to it.

Propositions 78 and 79: Prescription drug discounts. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your pharmacy? NO. These are rival measures, one supported by drug companies and the other by liberal activists – both of which purport to lower drug prices. What they really do is assure that one group of patients gets to pay higher prices to provide subsidized prices for others. There’s no such thing as a free Levitra.

Proposition 80. Electricity Regulation. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your electricity company? NO. This measure locks in monopoly control of your electricity by the bureaucratized utilities and forbids you from ever being able to shop around for the lowest-priced electricity available.


11 posted on 10/21/2005 1:09:46 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: NormsRevenge
You don't have to excerpt articles or opinions from this paper.

I know this but I prefer to have short FR posts when others are able to get to the original without logging in.  If it is necessary to register to get an article then I think it is proper to post the entire article.  I hate registering for access to a left wing publication.

12 posted on 10/21/2005 1:18:02 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib

If the source doesn't need excerpts used, why not just copy and paste the whole thing then.

It eliminates the possibility you or others are cherry picking points that are only favorable to your view. Most folks won't click thru to see the whole article anyway.


Part of the reason we find ourselves in the predicament we are in today is folks want short fast solutions without thought to unintended consequences.

These are very important issues we are being ask to make well-informed decisions on.

just a thought. ;-)


13 posted on 10/21/2005 1:21:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: All

also,, use

http://bugmenot.com/

Another way to get to the article
if you wish not to be bothered registering.


14 posted on 10/21/2005 1:29:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
If the source doesn't need excerpts used, why not just copy and paste the whole thing then.

It eliminates the possibility you or others are cherry picking points that are only favorable to your view. Most folks won't click thru to see the whole article anyway.
 

  1. Maybe I'm just an old dog.  Back when I started using the Internet in the 80's etiquette demanded that posts be kept short and refer to all originals.  Perhaps things have changed, after all disk space is much cheaper now.

  2. I, personally, prefer shorter posts.  Usually the formatting of a cut and paste is inferior and difficult to read.

  3. I always go to the original.  You never know for sure what has been done to the copy.  Maybe FR is different than the more free for all sites in this regard.
Is there a FR thread which describes an FR policy on this?
15 posted on 10/21/2005 1:33:18 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: etlib

Im an old dog too.


Nothing personal intended re: cherry picking but a lot of folks don't read much beyond the posted portion of the thread and aren't as diligent as you or I may be to click thru.

Yup, disk drive space is real cheap compared to the olden days.

I also believe in Trust But Verify too.

I cut and paste all the time and do my cleanup before hitting the Post button ,, always have.


No , there is no FR policy except the excerpt and no post lists. You can get to them on the bottom of my profile page.


16 posted on 10/21/2005 1:41:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: CyberAnt
This explains why Tom is recommending the votes yes or no on specific issues.

These are the targeted explanations aimed squarely at Republican voters. A glance below the surface shows an alternate agenda:

McClintoch, having a small base and little funding needs the CAGOP financial and organizational support to run for statewide office. He has experienced, first hand, the damage the CAGOP can do to their own it they deem the candidate to be a "maverick" or uncooperative.

McClintock's campaign reasoned correctly that even if the CAGOP stood on the sidelines next November his chances for winning were not good and that his candidacy was doomed to repeat of the 13% showing if the CAGOP sabotaged him again.

The consequence was a deal with the devil, or in this case, the CAGOP. McClintock would support the CAGOP mantra during the special election cycle in return for their financial support and cooperation in the upcoming statewide elections. As part of that deal McClintock was given free, statewide exposure by the CAGOP in the guise of support for their "reform" agenda. A good deal for both the CAGOP and the McClintock campaign....

But not for conservatives.

Conservatives now have one of their own publicly implying that Prop 76 will stop the borrowing when in fact it won't, just as was the case with the duplicitous promises made during the Prop 57 campaign by these same folks and even worse, Prop 76 itself authorizes more borrowing. At a minimum, an additional $5B so that the Schwarzenegger administration, with the tacit approval of the CAGOP, can continue to propose increases in state spending at at time when the state desperately needs to cut spending.

Such is politics but truth is often a casualty.

17 posted on 10/21/2005 4:27:25 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag; tubebender; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; FOG724; ElkGroveDan

Excellent illumination of the truth and the awful saga of CA's malignant GOP top brass. I sure wish it would stop so I could feel good, once again, about CA's Grand Old Party!!!


18 posted on 10/21/2005 4:47:44 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: newzjunkey
Yes, and I just cringe when I hear him support 76 because everybody, including him, knows it will NOT stop the borrowing!!!

I'd blame him except I can see how the Party is screwing with him and it really stinks up the GOP, not Tom!!!

19 posted on 10/21/2005 4:50:53 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Amerigomag

"McClintoch, having a small base and little funding"


Mispelled name, incorrect data re base and funding.

I'd say you don't like Tom, so all your posturing about what he is doing is just your OPINION - and has nothing to do with facts.


20 posted on 10/21/2005 5:07:42 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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