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Waiting For The Valerie Plame Wilson Grand Jury (John Dean says indictments unlikely)
findlaw ^ | Oct 21 05 | John Dean

Posted on 10/21/2005 8:17:14 PM PDT by churchillbuff

It is difficult to envision Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuting anyone, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney, who believed they were acting for reasons of national security. While hindsight may find their judgment was wrong, and there is no question their tactics were very heavy-handed and dangerous, I am not certain that they were acting from other than what they believed to be reasons of national security. They were selling a war they felt needed to be undertaken.

In short, I cannot imagine any of them being indicted, unless they were acting for reasons other than national security. Because national security is such a gray area of the law, come next week, I can see this entire investigation coming to a remarkable anti-climax, as Fitzgerald closes down his Washington Office and returns to Chicago.

In short, I think the frenzy is about to end -- and it will not go any further. Unless, of course, these folks were foolish enough to give false statements, perjure themselves or suborn perjury, or commit obstruction of justice. If they were so stupid, Patrick Fitzgerald must stay and clean house.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: cialeak; dean; johndean; nigerflap; plame; valerieplame
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1 posted on 10/21/2005 8:17:14 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
It is difficult to envision Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuting anyone, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney,

Particularly since the Constitution doesn't allow for Fitzgerald to prosecute Dick Cheney.

2 posted on 10/21/2005 8:19:31 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Read the whole column. A vice president can be indicted. Agnew is Exhibit A (he pleaded out)


3 posted on 10/21/2005 8:20:54 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
To have the entire Plame Blame Game Flame sputter out with nothing for the Rats after they worked so hard to light it and keep it burning faintly this long would be oh sooooooooo













Rib Fracturing Funny!!!!!!!


4 posted on 10/21/2005 8:22:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: churchillbuff

Jed Babbin, who I normally respect a great deal, went off the deep end today while subbing for Hugh.

I thought he was semi-hysterical.


5 posted on 10/21/2005 8:22:06 PM PDT by x1stcav (All illegals out now!)
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To: churchillbuff
(John Dean says indictments unlikely)

Oh, hell...we're doomed.

6 posted on 10/21/2005 8:22:56 PM PDT by RichInOC (Death Match 2005...G. Gordon Liddy versus John W. Dean...LIVE on pay-per-view.)
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To: x1stcav

How? I misssed it because of work.


7 posted on 10/21/2005 8:23:28 PM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: x1stcav

I only heard a little bit of the show but Babbin proved himself terribly uninformed about the investigation. I have very high regard for his columns on military and national security issues, but he said a couple of things that showed he is at best minimally conversant with the Wilson/Plame/WH/GJ matter.


8 posted on 10/21/2005 8:27:48 PM PDT by Enchante (Joe Wilson: I only have two wives I'm willing to admit to....)
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To: churchillbuff
Unless, of course, these folks were foolish enough to give false statements, perjure themselves or suborn perjury, or commit obstruction of justice.

In general, I'd agree with that.

This case, though, has taken so many twists and turns and been so turned upside down and inside out that what one guy thought he was answering might have been based on a certain understanding that might appear in a different context to be disingenuous.

9 posted on 10/21/2005 8:28:18 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: churchillbuff
I don't see where the Constitution differentiates in how the President and Vice-President are to be treated with respect to matters involving high crimes and misdemeanors

Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice-President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

10 posted on 10/21/2005 8:29:10 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: uscabjd

He started off the first hour with dire predictions as to how Fitz had gone way beyond his mandate.

He cited a lot of circumstantial evidence (such as the fact that Fitz now had a website which is indicative of the fact that he doesn't expect to be gone anytime soon) and it was generally fairly non-professional and based his analysis in large part on the NYT artical this AM.

Jed was lacking, I thought, in the usual objective analysis that Hugh is capable of, and sounded a lot like Chicken Little.


11 posted on 10/21/2005 8:29:28 PM PDT by x1stcav (All illegals out now!)
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To: Enchante

I agree completely. See my other post.

JB was in way over his head.


12 posted on 10/21/2005 8:31:12 PM PDT by x1stcav (All illegals out now!)
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To: RichInOC

Maybe Gordon can help.


13 posted on 10/21/2005 8:34:38 PM PDT by pbear8 (We loved Wynn Las Vegas)
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To: RichInOC

John Dean outed Earl Butz over the loose shoes story - any body remrember that. LOL


14 posted on 10/21/2005 8:42:02 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: churchillbuff
Looks like you were right on that and I was wrong. Here is a link to an article by Professor Bainbridge on the issue that lays out the hows and whys of indicting Vice-presidents. See Link
15 posted on 10/21/2005 8:42:03 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: SandRat
Well, let's see, if this flames, they will be 0 for 2 here, plus it's almost certain Delay will get off, plus the Frist thing isn't going anywhere.

Who's next?

How frustrating must it be to be a Dem. You can't beat them at the ballot box, you can't beat them in the courtroom. What's next, physical violence?

16 posted on 10/21/2005 8:45:51 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: churchillbuff

The NYT has discovered, from an anon. source, doncha know, that one Aldrich Ames sits in Fed. City for outing Plame et al.


17 posted on 10/21/2005 8:51:06 PM PDT by Waco
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To: ncountylee

Yep, something loose, something tight and somewhere warm....

If I said anymore I'd lose my job as Secretary of Agriculture.


18 posted on 10/21/2005 8:56:09 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

And be covicted of tax evasion.


19 posted on 10/21/2005 9:10:12 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: RichInOC

No kidding.

If John Dean told me I was in the clear, I would expect to be arrested at any time.


20 posted on 10/21/2005 9:44:57 PM PDT by iowamark
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