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Gun Safety for Iraqis
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinf/articles/20051021.aspx ^ | October 21, 2005

Posted on 10/22/2005 5:05:47 PM PDT by strategofr

One interesting thing Americans discovered, while training Iraqi troops, is that most Iraqi men tend to be very familiar with firearms, especially the Russian AK-series. The country is cursed with an abundance of rifles and assault guns.

In some regions, these weapons are so common that even boys of 12 or so may have one. One would think that this would make training them relatively easy, but in fact it doesn’t. While Iraqi recruits tend to know a lot about firearms, even to the extent that they can maintain them reasonably well, they don’t know a thing about weapons safety.

Consider the Arab custom of firing their weapons into the air on happy occasions (they are called “joy bullets” in Arabic), often with deadly consequences. When someone is killed or injured by the bullets that, inevitably come back to earth, the injury is shrugged off, or blamed on a handy enemy (Palestinians blame Israelis, some Iraqis blame any armed foreigners in the vicinity, or nearby Iraqis they don't get along with).

Thus, American trainers quickly learned that safety training is very important for Iraqi recruits. Indeed, it was found that gun safety training needed far more emphasis for Iraqi troops than for Americans, who live in a culture of safety. Resistance to safety training by Iraqi recruits is pretty high, at least initially.

But once they understand the purpose, they become surprisingly good students, perhaps because they all know someone who lost a goat or a family member to a bullet that was simply obeying the law of gravity. The presence of Egyptian or Jordanian trainers is particularly helpful in accelerating the process of getting Iraqi recruits to accept firearms safety; as brother Arabs and Moslems. In this case there’s less resistance to an “infidel” notion of being careful while using assault rifles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; iraq
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To: BushMeister
You are still using the figures of a rifle firing straight up. My question concerned maximum trajectory, which if I remember right is 50 to 55 degrees.

But thanks anyway!

41 posted on 10/22/2005 9:03:52 PM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: BushMeister

Anyone here own a SIG P-220? I've just been granted appropriations from the War Department (my wife) to buy "another" handgun. I'm debateing between a Kimber Warrior and a SIG P-220.
Thoughts?


42 posted on 10/22/2005 9:36:54 PM PDT by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Paleo Conservative

Can't see a damned thing in there!


43 posted on 10/22/2005 9:53:45 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: strategofr

--IIRC, it was just that they were used to the technique seen on TV of "point-in-the-general-direction" and squirt off a full clip---


44 posted on 10/23/2005 6:00:18 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: BikerTrash
---hearkening back to Hatcher's Notebook again, the angle to achieve maximum range with typical small arms ammo (he was speaking of the .30-'06 and standard military-"ball" ammo) is 30 degrees. I believe you are right on the retained energy and of course it is sufficient to be lethal---
45 posted on 10/23/2005 6:05:50 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: rellimpank
...30 degrees.

Yeah, that's right. Max trajectory is less than 45 degrees. I dunno what I was thinkin'.

...sufficient to be lethal...

Yup.

Thanks.

46 posted on 10/23/2005 10:03:46 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: rasblue

Wrong. Unless you factor in tumble as a portion of air resistance...


47 posted on 10/23/2005 1:46:09 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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To: BikerTrash
I think maximum trajectory for a rifle round was computed at 32 degrees (the assumed perfect trajectory of 45 degrees not being operable due to wind resistance).

Another figure I found indicated a handgun bullet would probably come straight down at 159 MPH, about 20% of muzzle velocity.

Not sure what energy figures are on the end of a maximum trajectory flight. I'll post if I find them.

48 posted on 10/23/2005 11:33:11 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: inquest

that's right they're totally cursed. they have an abundance of rifles and assault guns but not an equal amount of pistols. i suffer from the same curse, 8 long guns, 4 pistols. i'll break the curse when i get 4 more pistols.


49 posted on 10/24/2005 7:38:48 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: King Prout

Not likely, no magazine in the weapon .


50 posted on 10/24/2005 4:36:59 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

there might have been one up the spout.


51 posted on 10/24/2005 5:56:18 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Squantos

hehhehheh


52 posted on 10/24/2005 5:57:37 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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