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HOW MANY A.C.L.U. LAWYERS CAN DANCE ON THE HEAD OF A PIN
yahoo ^ | 10/23/2005 | John Leo

Posted on 10/23/2005 8:08:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The "tiny cross" people at the American Civil Liberties Union are at it again. These are the folks with extra-keen eyes and powerful magnifying glasses who examine the official seals of towns and counties, looking for miniature crosses that ACLU lawyers like to trumpet as grave threats to separation of church and state.

This time around, the folks with the magnifying glasses are leaning on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a quite small Christian cross. "Tiny cross" inspectors are not permitted to fret about large non-Christian religious symbols, only undersized Christian ones, so the ACLU filed suit to get the cross removed.

The cross is obviously not an endorsement of religion, any more than the conquistador helmet and sword are endorsements of Spanish warfare. The courts have ruled, not always consistently, that crosses, as historical references in such seals and logos, are permissible. But the ACLU, these days, is strongly committed to seeing church-state crises everywhere, and thus pushes things way too far.

Last year the ACLU demanded that Los Angeles County eliminate from its seal a microscopic cross representing the missions that settled the state of California. Under threat of expensive litigation, the county complied. The cross was about one-sixth the size of a not-very-big image of a cow tucked away on the lower right segment of the seal, and maybe a hundredth of the size of a pagan god (Pomona, goddess of fruit) who dominated the seal. Pomona survived the religious purge. She is not the sort of god that the ACLU worries about, whereas the flyspeck-sized cross was a threat to unravel separation of church and state, as we know it. What will happen if the ACLU learns that Los Angeles, Santa Monica, Sacramento, San Francisco, St. Louis and Corpus Christi actually have religious names? We shudder to think.

The campaign to remove all traces of religion from public institutions, and in fact from the entire public square, is now far advanced. Part of that extremist campaign is to squelch private expression in and around public schools. Students have been punished for reading the Bible outside of class, for assembling after school to talk about religion, for thanking God or Jesus in a valedictory speech, and for bowing their heads (and therefore presumed to be praying privately) before lunch.

Another fairly common school crisis comes when a class is asked to write an essay or draw a picture of someone they regard as a hero. Mao Tse-tung or Vlad the Impaler will bring no rebuke, but if the hero is Jesus or Moses, watch out.

Last week the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York accepted the case of Antonio Peck, who, as a kindergartner in 1999, had his drawing censored from a class wall display because of church-state concerns. Along with the rest of his class, Antonio was told to draw a picture to illustrate his understanding of the environment. He drew a man with upraised arms, wearing a robe. When asked, the boy said the man was Jesus, who was "the only way to save the world." The trial will decide whether the school was guilty of viewpoint censorship.

In Tennessee, the Knox County board of education is being sued for refusing to allow a 10-year-old to read his Bible during recess. The school argued that recess is not free time and that the school can forbid the reading of religious material during that period. The Phoenix-based Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), which defends religious liberties cases, supported the student.

After ADF intervened, a school in Torrance, Calif., backed down from its decision not to allow a student on a dance team to perform to religious music. ADF also defended students who had been forbidden by their schools to participate in the national Sept. 21 "See You at the Pole" prayer and religious event on school grounds. ADF argued that religious expression cannot be treated differently from any other constitutionally protected expression.

As if to prove that church-state objections can be found on the right as well as on the left, the band director at C.D. Hylton High School in Virginia pulled the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" by the Charlie Daniels Band after a conservative objected. He wondered why the school should be allowed to sing about the devil when they are not allowed to sing about God.

Next week: The ACLU sues to ban deviled eggs from the school cafeteria.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: aclu; antichristian; antitheist; christianpersecution; christians; culturewars; johnleo; purge

1 posted on 10/23/2005 8:08:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess as the government continues to expand into our private lives, more and more expressions of faith (mainly Christian) will be deemed "inappropriate" or even "dangerous". Sometimes I almost wish the government would attempt to crack down on individual free speech rights as much as they do with the 2nd Amendment so maybe people will actually wake up and quit electing thieves and morons into positions of power.


2 posted on 10/23/2005 8:12:36 PM PDT by Firefigher NC (Volunteer firefighters- standing tall, serving proud in the tradition of Ben Franklin.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There is an idea here. Let's all send the ACLU offices packages of pins, asking them to dance on them.


3 posted on 10/23/2005 8:12:41 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Its reached the point of absurdity. How a cross on a seal offends any one, I have no idea. The ACLU is looking for non-existent problems to justify its pathetic existence.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

4 posted on 10/23/2005 8:13:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The ACLU is the threat within... and MUST be stopped.


5 posted on 10/23/2005 8:15:21 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He drew a man with upraised arms, wearing a robe. When asked, the boy said the man was Jesus, who was "the only way to save the world."

Bless that boy.

6 posted on 10/23/2005 8:15:36 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg
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If I typed what I'm thinking about the ACLU at this moment, I'd be banned, and you all would think I was an illiterate, low class jerk for having to resort to such epithets.


7 posted on 10/23/2005 8:27:29 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I cant wait till the backlash begins with every city voting to put the cross on its seal. It'll come back a hundred fold!!


8 posted on 10/23/2005 8:35:20 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I want seperation of church and state to PROTECT my religion. However, if the religious symbol is part of history ( as in this seal) just leave it alone! WHY CAN'T WE JUST GRANDFATHER IN ALL THOSE CROSSES?


9 posted on 10/23/2005 9:01:29 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Just call me a cynical right wing nutjob!)
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To: All
Here is my take on the religious expression police!
10 posted on 10/23/2005 9:02:36 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is so funny, the Zia symbol, a religous symbol, is the flag of New Mexico, and it is everywhere in the state, but the crosses in towns across the state are being attacked, unbelievable.
11 posted on 10/23/2005 9:03:08 PM PDT by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

12 posted on 10/23/2005 9:04:26 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
PING!
13 posted on 10/23/2005 9:04:37 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
HOW MANY A.C.L.U. LAWYERS CAN DANCE ON THE HEAD OF A PIN

The same number as the number of rounds I can put into the magazine of an AR-15... +1.

14 posted on 10/23/2005 9:09:16 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Ironically, in my electronic thesaurus, looking up the words "ACLU" and "pinhead", yields exactly the same results.

Can one pinhead dance on another pinhead? Inquiring minds want to know...

15 posted on 10/23/2005 9:09:28 PM PDT by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: Jay777

Thx... :D


16 posted on 10/23/2005 9:10:21 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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"Last year the ACLU demanded that Los Angeles County eliminate from its seal a microscopic cross representing the missions that settled the state of California."

Why stop there? Los Angeles has a very religous name. I think the ACLU should seek to get it renamed!


17 posted on 10/23/2005 9:11:13 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SandRat

ping for later


18 posted on 10/23/2005 9:13:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

19 posted on 10/23/2005 9:16:34 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: pickrell

google only comes back with 773 results for ACLU and Pinheads. I would think as much as O'Reilly has called them this name it would have yielded more results.


20 posted on 10/23/2005 9:22:30 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
These are the folks with extra-keen eyes and powerful magnifying glasses who examine the official seals of towns and counties, looking for miniature crosses that ACLU lawyers like to trumpet as grave threats to separation of church and state.

Poking fun at idiots won't change them in any way helpful to mankind but it does illuminate the underside of the rock they are hiding under!

22 posted on 10/23/2005 9:32:07 PM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: Jay777

We were driving behind a car and I saw a South Carolina flag in the window. I just cringe now everytime I see a crescent moon. Please SCians, no offense to you, I realize your flag has nothing to do with Islam...it is exactly meant to be what it is, a crescent moon. I'm now bracing myself for flaming anyway.

Just trying to prove an absurd point. If the ACLU was REALLY interested in removing ALL religious symbols......(like they would touch that one)....But, oh, they are only repulsed by Christian symbols.


23 posted on 10/23/2005 9:32:56 PM PDT by del4hope
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To: Firefigher NC
Sometimes I almost wish the government would attempt to crack down on individual free speech rights as much as they do with the 2nd Amendment...

Pardon me, but what do you think "hate speech" laws and the McCain-Feingold Act are?

24 posted on 10/23/2005 9:33:02 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Top ten reasons why lawyers should replace lab rats
 
1. There is an endless supply

2. Lab assistants don't get attached to them

3. It's more fun to shave and stick needles in lawyers

4. There are some things rats just won't do

5. It's fun to dispose of them when you're through

6. It's not "inhumane" treatment, when it comes to lawyers

7. No one cares when a lawyer squeals

8. We've seen what happens when they are allowed to breed freely

9. Lawyers belong in cages

10. Animal rights activist don't care if you torture them


25 posted on 10/23/2005 9:39:09 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Jay777

ACLU lawyers don't dance on the head of a pin -- they are pinheads. And the only time they boogie is when they are dancing with the devil.


26 posted on 10/23/2005 9:41:40 PM PDT by MilleniumBug
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To: SmoothTalker

Las Cruces New Mexico must drive them nuts. Won't be long now......


27 posted on 10/23/2005 9:51:50 PM PDT by HelloooClareece
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To: HelloooClareece

Come to think of it, i'm from Chapel Hill, NC. I think they should have us renanmed Hill, NC.


28 posted on 10/23/2005 9:53:14 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

LMAO! It must be mental illness that makes these people fret over one horizontal and one vertical line.


29 posted on 10/23/2005 10:13:38 PM PDT by HelloooClareece
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Any minute now, the ACLU will argue that it is unconstitutional to prosecute murder, perjury and theft, because the Ten Commandments says not to do those things, so it violates the separation of church and state.


30 posted on 10/23/2005 10:33:13 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. George W. Bush)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

just load an extra clip... :)


31 posted on 10/24/2005 1:50:27 AM PDT by Americanwolf (I Served proudly.... how dare you tell me I have no convictions...)
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To: HelloooClareece

Actually, just last week the ACLU filed suit against Las Cruces.


32 posted on 10/24/2005 11:16:33 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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