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How staged sex crime fooled Supreme Court
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 24, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 10/24/2005 12:27:04 PM PDT by Hunterb

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To: highball
I think you have it backwards, friend.

Your thoughts on the matter are subjective, not objective.

As I previously stated, all laws are based on someone's morals.

281 posted on 10/26/2005 10:19:33 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

You keep repeating that, but you don't offer any evidence at all. Some historical citations, please?


282 posted on 10/26/2005 11:07:54 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball
You keep repeating that, but you don't offer any evidence at all.

I asked you two posts back to offer an example of a law based solely on objective criteria. Are you conceding that you cannot do so? If you are, then you've made my point for me. If you are not, then I will answer your question, once you've answered mine.

283 posted on 10/26/2005 12:42:48 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Sure I can. I did it earlier - the objective criteria used when prohibiting this activity is "how are people genuinely harmed by the activity?" Not "offended," but harmed. Violence harms a person. So does theft and rape. These crimes all involve tangible harm to a person or that person's property. That's an objective criteria.

Now, if you could kindly provide citations of your claim, as well as the section of the Constitution that authorizes the government to involve itself in private relationships between consenting adults on their own property, I'd be in your debt.


284 posted on 10/26/2005 1:02:07 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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"how are people genuinely harmed by the activity?"

That is quite subjective.

Some believe that people are genuinely harmed by taking part in sin, while others don't believe in sin.

Some believe that people engaging in unnecessarily risky behaviors (e.g. homosexual sex) are harming themselves. Others think it is perfectly okay as long as they are only harming themselves.

Some believe that allowing people to engage in perversion affects all of society, so such behavior should not be permitted. Other people believe that what one individual does to themselves (or with a consenting partner) has no impact on society.

So you see, your 'objective' criteria is not so objective.

285 posted on 10/26/2005 2:25:31 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Fine, then.

*Demonstrably* harmed by the activity. Not having their delicate sensibilities "offended" (which is nothing more than social conservative Political Correctness), but demonstrably harmed.

Why do you want to give the government so much power? When you're asking them to patrol men's hearts, that's exactly what you're doing. Myself, I don't trust the government enough to advocate that.


286 posted on 10/27/2005 6:28:54 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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*Demonstrably* harmed by the activity.

LOL Now you've qualified your 'objective' standard a bit further.

"Demonstrated" according to whom? To me, same gender sex is 'demonstrably' harmful to the mental health of those participating in same. This is evidenced by the unbalanced behavior of the homosexuals involved in this incident. Further, their behavior shows that they will and do affect those around them in a negative way. Therefore, I would conclude there is demonstrable harm to both the individuals participating and to 'innocent bystanders'.

Why do you want to give the government so much power?

The issue we have been discussing is not giving or taking away power from the government. The issue is whether morality can be legistlated. My stance is that all laws are about someone's morality. Although you've disagreed, you've yet to give me a single example of a law that is based on purely objective criteria.

My point is made.

287 posted on 10/27/2005 6:42:54 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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