Posted on 10/25/2005 9:51:05 AM PDT by churchillbuff
I don't like the idea of Cheney having a chief of staff who's tight with Clintonite scum like Marc Rich. Sorry, I have a thing about integrity -- and standards. If you don't, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Yup.
Cheney should have heeded Perry's advice.
Whoa there parder!
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LIBBY BEING RICH'S LAWYER, ONCE UPON A TIME.
I simply asked you "How exactly was this determined to be true, and by whom?" ... In reference to the allegation that Libby called Rich in Switzwerland two days after George W. Bush was sworn in as president.
How's your attention span doing?
Roger that.
And I said he testified to this, before Burton's committee - a fact that is reported in the story at the top of this thread.
Unfortunately, Cheney is not the first nor is he likely to be the last to hire "Clintonite scum." (As someone earlier said, Mary Madeleine married it.) You're about 30+ yrs. too late, maybe way longer but I only go back so far, to have spoken up about what you want from our gov't. We have for a long time been voting for the choice between BAD and WORSE and determining very little more than who gets to be a Chairman with all the perks. If you think you can change anything at this point short of an armed revolution, you are sadly mistaken as well as uninformed.
Congress had the phone records. I watched Libby's testimony on C-SPAN. He acknowledged making the call. At the very least, he exercised very poor judgment given his position as COS for the VP. Libby stopped being Rich's lawyer in the Spring of 2000. Obviously, they had a personal relationship that transcended their business dealings. You should read Libby's testimony before Congress.
I don't remember writing much about Rich other than it was one of the more disgusting pardons. The FALN was worse. If Libby stuck up for him, that is disgusting and Cheney should not have hired him.
You have accused me of sticking up for Libby. Go find it and show me where I did that. If you can't, then apologize.
A couple of exceptions: The choice between Goldwater and Johnson, and Between REAGAN and CARTER. On both occasions, Americans had a real choice, not a pick between gradations of badness.
Excuse me, but should you be referring to the article you posted, that is not"testimony", that is an allegation made in the article.
Again I will ask you ...
"On Jan. 22, two days after George W. Bush was sworn in as president, Libby did something quite wrong. He placed an overseas phone call, to Switzerland, to Marc Rich."
How exactly was this determined to be true, and by whom?
Do you have a transcript of the hearing with that testimony?
No I didn't - or didn't mean to. If I seemed to, I apologize.
read post 69.
NBC - February 16, 2001
Amid the firestorm over fugitive financier Marc Rich’s pardon, former President Clinton said Thursday in a conversation with CNBC’s Geraldo Rivera that Israel influenced him “profoundly” in granting the pardon. In his first extensive comments, Clinton said that he was “bewildered” by the controversy and that there was not a “shred of evidence that I did anything wrong.”
Clinton, in a phone discussion with the host of CNBC’s “Rivera Live,” said he was “blindsided” by the furor over the pardon for Rich, who faced tax evasion and other charges.
“I have no infrastructure to deal with this, no press person. I just wanted to go out there and do what past presidents have done, but the Republicans had other ideas for me,” said Clinton.
“There’s not a single, solitary shred of evidence that I did anything wrong or that his [Rich’s] money changed hands,” he said. “And there’s certainly no evidence that I took any of it.”
Clinton pointed out that Rich was once represented by lawyer Lewis Libby, now Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff.
Rich “had three big-time Republican lawyers, including [Vice President] Dick Cheney’s chief of staff,” he said. “Marc Rich himself is a Republican.”
Rivera told MSNBC the former president sounded “beleaguered” on the phone. “He is sincerely shocked by all of the noise and hubbub surrounding this. He had no idea that it would be this tidal wave and that he would find himself once again on the front pages of every newspaper defending himself against the charges of his political enemies,” said Rivera, a longtime friend of Clinton’s.
John L. Perry also has had a distinguished career in public policy. He served President Lyndon B. Johnson as deputy under secretary of commerce and was a White House speech writer and race-relations trouble-shooter for President Johnson. In the Jimmy Carter administration, he was executive assistant to the under secretary of Housing and Urban Development and was interim director of public information for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
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Apology accepted. It seemed fairly clear to me. I'll read about him when I have time and may well be reading about his indictment. Again, if he did something wrong, he should pay the appropriate price. If he had a relationship with Rich as you say, I don't like that at all. Cheney should have chosen someone else.
Ditto that
It all depends on what the meaning of "single," "solitary," "shred" and "evidence" is.
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