Posted on 10/25/2005 11:39:50 AM PDT by Wuli
< waving hand wildly >Oh...Oh...Oh...I know the answer!
Jacqueline, (Joe's his second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger. It has also been reported that Jacqueline was a "cultural counselor" for the French Embassy, which some say is code for she was doing undercover work.
French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;
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Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.
Note that at one point Wilson was playing a word game: The administration says Iraq sought to buy yellowcake. Wilson says there was no sign of a sale. These are not incompatible, but Wilson is implying that they are.
Great work.
BTTT
That is the reason that some CIA analysts considered the Niger claim not credible - because Iraq already had so much that they had previously bought from Niger. ...Though that hardly undermines the WMD argument.
WOW
Thanks for the link to:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts
What Joe Wilson Doesn't Say About Africa
and about France and about his connections with French diplomats or Saudi-middle east business interests, or African business interests, or business interest that got Iraqi oil for food money, or other nefarious associations of his, including his long-time and dedicated political support to prominent Democrats.
We need POTUS/FBI/AG to designate a special prosecutor with a Grand Jury and we need Wilson, Plame and Deputy CIA Dir MNcLauglin under oath - who forged the October 9 documents and who knew about them before October 9 and who knew the documents were coming.
And
mostly, the documents were not the intelligence which predicated the Wilson Niger trip and their importance was overwhelmed by many prior and ongoing intelligence streams on the matter.
Exposing the documents as frauds is only relevant to the Wilsonian/Dim lies when those facts are ignored.
Great work, Wuli -- Thanks!
From Slate at: http://slate.msn.com/id/2088471/
The question of whether to investigate who in the Bush administration blew Plame's cover surfaced Aug. 21 at a forum about intelligence failures on Iraq held by Rep. Jay Inslee, a fervently anti-war Democrat. Wilson, who was present, had this to say:
It's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words.
That is one month after Novak's column and there were no hints yet of who has talked to Novak.
Great resource, Wuli! Thank you so much for the ping, betty boop!
We know that in 2003 we collected approx 500 tons of yellowcake from Iraq, after the war.
When did they acquire all of it, from where, and why, if they had no nuclear ambitions?
The real question was their ambitions, their intentions in the absence of too many answers to too many questions that remained from 1991 on.
The difference is simplied very easily by the demonstration of the nuclear/WMD disarmament programs of South Africa and the Ukraine. The international communinity had a high level of confidence in the transparent, open, cooperative, responsive, unobstructive actions of the governments of South African and the Ukraine. Anyone, any nation could do, as easily, what they did - if they wanted to. It was not difficult.
All it required was a real desire to do it and prove, demonstrate, assure everyone they were.
Sadaam played a game; saying he had nothing to hide and then doing everything imaginable to make everyone believe he was hiding things and then making everyone guess which you should believe, what he said or what he did.
He did not provide the grounds for trust that S. Africa and the Ukraine so readily provided.
We were not going to go another 12 years, wondering if we guessed right, as we began the WOT.
People forget that we were not required, by the UN resolution 1441, to find WMDs in Iraq. Sadaam was required to give everyone reasonable assurance that he did not have them. He didn't.
please send the timeline to all blogs and mail lists that you are a part of
Great work, thanks.
What you didn't point out, but which is pretty self-evident, is the fact that with his wife placed in the agency's Counterproliferation Division, former ambassador Wilson would have had inside information on the case - that is if Valerie Wilson/plame leaked confidential information.
But how would he otherwise have got that information?
His wife would always have been the prime suspect. No wonder that Wilson reacted so strongly to Novak's story. (And it didn't have anything to do with who suggested his name for the Niger trip, but all the other information that he used in the months following his African jaunt.)
PS: I haven't followed this story so closely until now. I guess my points above have been made by many FReepers before me, but your excellent timeline finally made me understand why Wilson acted as he did when Novak's piece was published .
You added what might have been a critical, personal concern
that Wilson might have had about the public knowing
that he had a personal source of classified WMD intel;
which would have compromised her "classified" status
and would have been illegal for her to do -
unless she could get him "cleared" specifically for the
issue she wanted to "expose".
Nice. Like it was the plan all along, just like the CIA cooked up. (Nod to Cliff Kincaid)
Gag. I hate those kind, lol, because I know exactly what you mean. Powdered wigs and perfumed hankies.
Frankly, I don't trust the assessment of a guy who spent about a week poolside drinking sweet mint tea, talking to a bunch of government officials who if they know what's good for them would never admit to dealing with Saddam.
Someone needs to kick Wilson's ass, what a sh*ibag he is..
THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA LIES!
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