No Distinction Between Terrorists, Those Who Support Them, Bush Says

American Forces Press Service ^ | Oct 25, 2005 | Sgt. Sara Wood, USA

[conservativecorner]

I'm figuring our allies will go to the mat and triple dog dare them to do it. How could we be any tougher?

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map
Aljazeera ^ | 10/26/2005 | aljazeera



Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map by Wednesday 26 October 2005 11:52 AM GMT

Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government rallies.

Call for unity

Addressing about 4000 students gathered in an Interior Ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point "where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".

Khatami was in favour of 'dialogue among civilisations'

"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam".

The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.

"We should not settle for a piece of land," he said of Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip.

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."

Change from Khatami

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad President of Iran

Ahmadinejad, a veteran of Iran's hardline Revolutionary Guards, took office in August after scoring a landslide win in a June presidential election.

His tone represents a major change from that of former president Mohammad Khatami, whose favoured topic was "dialogue among civilisations" and who led an effort to improve Iran's relations with the West.

But Ahmadinejad instead spoke of a "historic war".

"It dates backs hundreds of years. Sometimes Islam has advanced. Sometimes nobody was winning. Unfortunately over the past 300 years, the world of Islam has been in retreat," he lamented.

"One hundred years ago the last trench of Islam fell, when the oppressors went towards the creation the Zionist regime. It is using it as a fort to spread its aims in the heart of the Islamic world."

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[taxed2death]

.....with the one notable exception of Saudia Arabia.

[highlander_UW]

Bush Administration= "Islam is peaceful", All talk no action!!!!!

I wouldn't say no action...we have fought in Afghanistan and Iraq...but I cringe every time I hear him repeat the false claim that Islam is peaceful. I can only hope he knows this isn't true and is only attempting to split Islam and taken on the most radical portions first...but Islam is evil to it's very roots. We can be thankful that some muslims don't follow true Islam.

[Little Ray]

Suuuuuure we are.

[safisoft]

"Any government that chooses to be an ally of terror has chosen to be an enemy of civilization," Bush said. "The civilized world must hold those regimes to account."

Mr. President, you have lost all credibility on this. When your Secretary of State blames Israel for violence because "it needs to do more" and you personally host the Munich Massacre bag-man (Mahmoud Abbas) in the White House; it has become clear that the only terrorists you recognize are ones that are convenient to you.

[conservativecorner]

You don't think we can produce facts regarding our porous borders? By the way, did you happen to read that we are starting back with the open door policy regarding Saudi Arabian students coming to America just like prior to 9/11?

My, We're A Welcoming People [They Are Letting The Saudis In Again Alert]
Captains Quarters ^ | Oct. 23, 2005 | Edward Morrissey


Posted on 10/23/2005 7:19:08 PM PDT by conservativecorner


After 9/11, we asked ourselves how nineteen Islamofascist terrorists could have made their way into the United States and infiltrated our society. We found out that our visa system had so many holes in it that we could not begin to guess how many more may have set up residence in America, just waiting to attack us from within. Sixteen of these terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, the last three of which didn't even need to go to an American facility to get their visas; instead they received the key documents from their travel agents under the Visa Express system.



After 9/11, we demanded an end to such programs, especially with Saudi Arabia, which supplies an inordinate amount of the Islamist radicals to the al-Qaeda cause. This supposedly has been the American policy since the attacks, and as far as any public statements, that policy has never been reversed.



Or has it?



According to London-based Asharq Al-Awsat, the Saudis expect to send over 10,000 new students to the US in the coming year and 21,000 over the next four as part of a program based on the relaxation of visa requirements with the US (h/t: CQ reader Michael):



More than 10,000 Saudi students will travel to the US to attend university as part of a government-sponsored program following the adoption of new measures by the Ministry of Higher Education aimed at facilitating travel procedures for Saudis. In total, 21,000 Saudis are expected to take part in the program in the next four years.


Prospective students can submit their applications to the Ministry of Higher Education through a Ministry special office or its website for nine different specializations and will be able to benefit from assistance with their visa applications at the US embassy and its diplomatic missions throughout the country. ...



Half of the prospective students will be sponsored by Saudi businesses to further their knowledge in a given field making use of bilateral treaties offering Saudis a number of opportunities in U.S. universities across the country.



Well, well. It appears that the Saudis have received a bit more flexibility -- and we will be hosting more of them in our communities as students. Perhaps if they pass strict scrutiny and maintain registry and security requirements, that may help reduce the radicalism of the Saudi youth. Unfortunately, that's what we used to think before 9/11, too.



Has something changed? The Saudis have taken terrorism more seriously since the May 2003 bombing attack in Riyadh by al-Qaeda, of course. However, the royal family still supports the Wahhabist strain of Islam that gave birth to the Islamofascist movement AQ represents and Osama bin Laden leads. It's hard to imagine that the Saudis will promote the overseas education of young people who seriously dissent from its Wahhabist teachings or the oppressive government that enforces it as law in Saudi Arabia.



I think we need to ask the State Department if we've relaxed entry requirements into the US, especially with our Saudi "friends", and if so, who decided to do that.

[Calpernia]

>>>>You don't think we can produce facts regarding our porous borders?

Copy and pass this statement I made pointing to that or have it removed.

You have a VERY BAD habit of twisting people's words on this forum and then starting arguements based on your own implications.

I will hit abuse on you from this point on if you do not produce the copy and past of my statement you are implying.

Enough is enough.

[conservativecorner]

relaxation of visa requirements

[Sabramerican]

I wonder what they will build where the State Dept used to be?

[ground_fog]

Can the DNC now go ahead and change their name to the 'TNC'(Terrorists National Committee) since they support the terrorists?

[conservativecorner]

>>>>Who should be afraid? I can walk back and forth between Mexico and the U.S.

It would be awesome if you would bring a Camcorder and demonstrate this for us.

Your smarmy statement indicates that you think that it would be hard to cross our border illegally while we believe , and statistics prove us right, that our borders are very porous. Was this not the gist of your statement, or did you mean something else?

[Eagle Eye]

I found questions irrelevant to the comments I made to the suspected DU'er. He WAS making Viet Nam comparisons.

You defense of someone calling the president "Chicken George" is a bit disturbing.

And I'll repeat that if you think you need to inform me about what IED's are doing to US forces or that Syria and Iran are hosting terrorists, then you are probably irrepairably ignorant.

[Mel Gibson]

Speaking to the Joint Armed Forces Officers' Wives Luncheon at Bolling Air Force Base, Bush said that these governments have a long history of collaboration with terrorists and deserve no patience from the victims of terror. "Any government that chooses to be an ally of terror has chosen to be an enemy of civilization," Bush said. "The civilized world must hold those regimes to account."

Let me get this straight, Bush is going to hold his own administration accountable for dealing with the terrorists in Saudi Arabia???

Saudi Arabia in not a democracy but a theocracy.

[jimfrommaine]

I wish the President would get moving on free enterprize zones, minority home ownership, school vochers for the gulf region. And I'd like to see him push for bigger tax cuts, which are revenue generators, drilling in anwar, cuts in regulations. And securing the borders. If the President was agressie in standing up for a Reagan like doemestic agenda, his approval ratings would go through the roof. And the terrorists who are counting on the democrats to win in 2006 and 2008 will be demoralized. By not standing up and fighting for a conservative agenda the President I fear is in fact aiding the terrorists. And he's certainly aiding the socialists and Hillary.

[conservativecorner]

Let me second your thoughts 100%. Many of the President's problems are self inflicted I'm afraid. To still be pushing for a guest worker program , it was the gist of his Saturday radio Address, for illegal Mexicans is swimming against the tide of public opinion and both parties who can't wait to be hawks on the illegal immigration issue.

[jimfrommaine]

I think the issue illegal immigration is Newt's way of at least regaining a strong voice in the GOP. You're right, protecting our borders I believe is the single biggest issue in the 2006 elections. And we as conservatives have a right to demand from our President that he do something immediately about it. What if a terrorist uses illegals to smuggle a nuke or biological materials into the U.S.?

[conservativecorner]

"Not everyone who questions the President's remarks are DU Dummies. We simply look at the world and know that we really haven't cracked down on Sponsor States for terrorists. Iran, N. Korea, the PA, Syria and Saudi Arabia are all doing what they were doing 4 years ago. Russia and China are supplying some of these states with technology that will be used to hurt us or our allies. And he's still calling for UN action when we all know how corrupt the organization is. If we wait on the UN on the Syrian question, we will be waiting until Hell freezes over. Russia will come to Syria's rescue, and nothing will come from all this bluster."

I never called anyone a name or defended the poster calling the President any names. I stated some facts that generally jibe with the posters thoughts, but I don't endorse the Vietnam comparison or name calling. Can I make that any plainer? You keep bringing up what IED's are doing, but your argument is with yourself on that one. I never said you didn't know what they were doing. Clear enough? You also use a slur in your last statement. Is it too hard to discuss ideas and issues without name calling? I never called you a name, and I have tried very hard to add decorum to the discussion.

[conservativecorner]

It's hard to believe 4 years after 9/11, and we are still discussing what to do about our porous borders and illegals. If they hit us again with weapons brought across the border, this President will have no rebuttal for his detractors. He's on the wrong side of this issue, and his position will not help the party.

[jimfrommaine]

I love President Bush, I really do. But it hurts when someone you believe in constantly lets you down. I've got the I.Q. of a doughnut and yet I can see that the borders need protecting. Who is advising him on this stuff, Al-Zarqawi?

[conservativecorner]

I'm right there with you on this President. I gave a lot of my personal time for this President during two election, and I donated plenty both times plus his defense fund when the demoncrats tried to steal FL. I do not like criticizing the President, but I'm a conservative first and everything else, including this President, comes second. I'm a Republican for as long as they represent my conservative beliefs, and I wouldn't hesitate to leave the party if that changes. Adoration of a person over a philosophy will get you in trouble as a people every time. History proves this over and over again. Mr. President please give me many strong reasons to support you, and I will once again be your biggest fan.