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This war is for real
his site ^ | 1 October, 2005 | Major General Vernon Chong, USAF, ret

Posted on 10/26/2005 2:45:08 PM PDT by haole

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a good read, except that he does not lay blame where it should.
1 posted on 10/26/2005 2:45:09 PM PDT by haole
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To: haole
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.

Eny has nothing to do with it. America could be a 3rd world failed dictatorship, and Muslims would still wish to conquer you.
2 posted on 10/26/2005 2:53:23 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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We are still asleep. Nine-eleven stirred us but we can't seem to go the distance. The Demogogue Party leadership doesn't care about the country, only their own power. We are in for a very long war, I wish I were more optimistic. I think it's going to take another, more terrible attack. And it's coming.


3 posted on 10/26/2005 2:57:54 PM PDT by kjo
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No doubt...but we wouldnt be numero uno on the list if it weren't for those things, would we?


4 posted on 10/26/2005 3:10:06 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: haole

The one thing he took a step back on was the Muslim religion. It's not just the stated goal of the terrorists to take over the world, it's the stated goal of the religion. The only difference between the terrorists and other Muslims is method, not end result.


5 posted on 10/26/2005 3:14:18 PM PDT by whershey
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To: haole
a good read, except that he does not lay blame where it should.

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I agree with much of his assessment, but disagree with his premise. We will not win if (most of the country) is not united behind the war. However, the political left is not just in opposition to this war, they are in total opposition to most traditional Western ethical moral values. They are in vehement opposition to the concept of the United States - of "America", as it was originally established.

The political left equates Bush and conservative Republicans with the Muslim terrorists, at least in principle. Why would they join with Republicans to defeat Muslim "freedom fighters"? From their perspective, the more Muslim's win, the more American soldiers or civilians who die at terrorist hands, the weaker GOP political power becomes, and the more the political left wins.

The political left wing in this country is not "as bad" as the terrorists, but they indirectly support them. They are a "fifth column" for the Muslims within America, and are privately quite proud of that role.

As the author said, though, recognizing the stakes for this war is essential for developing and supporting a strategy for winning it. He's playing "nice nice" with the left, in hopes that they will realize that they are at risk too, and that it's in the best interest of the Democrat left to subordinate their immediate political aspirations for the sake of the country's benefit in a time of war. The Democrat left will never put the country before party and political power; never!

SFS

6 posted on 10/26/2005 3:15:53 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Fred Nerks; USF; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger; All
Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

This dude for president and I don't even need to know his name (except to vote for him).

His take on this war is solid and his argument is eel-like...he slithers nobly past the left and names the enemy outloud.

Don't be fooled by his early-on statement as to "hopefully peaceful Islam." He knows the truth. All muslims may not be bad, but the bad ones rule and the good ones dance to the tune of the bad ones.

The truth is like a cool breeze on a hot summer's day...and this guy speaks the truth.

Tell your friends to read this one.

If he is rebuked by the President, I am moving to Israel.

7 posted on 10/26/2005 3:24:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: haole
He lays the blame just fine. Great post. Thx much!!!

Here is the bio of the writer...

MAJOR GENERAL (DR.) VERNON CHONG
Retired Nov. 1, 1994.

Major General (Dr.) Vernon Chong is the command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany. He advises the commander in chief on all medical matters and health issues that may affect the readiness of military forces in the command. He is responsible for establishing policies for the employment of theater medical resources during crisis, contingency and humanitarian relief operations. Also, he coordinates and integrates medical support activities and develops theater medical plans.

The general entered the Air Force in October 1963 following the completion of a residency in general surgery. He was certified by the American Board of Surgery in April 1964. He has commanded three Air Force medical centers, served as command surgeon of two major air commands, and was commander of the Joint Military Medical Command, San Antonio. The general is a chief flight surgeon, and was a surgeon/flight surgeon member of the DOD launch site recovery team for 15 space launches during the Apollo, Skylab and Apollo-Soyuz programs.

EDUCATION
1955 Bachelor of arts degree in basic medical sciences, Stanford University
1958 Doctor of medicine, Stanford University School of Medicine
1963 Board qualification in general surgery, General Hospital of Fresno County

ASSIGNMENTS

1 October 1963 - June 1965, staff general surgeon and chief of general surgery service, USAF Hospital Scott, Scott Air Force Base, Ill.
2. June 1965 - June 1968, staff general surgeon, later director of intern and resident education, USAF Hospital Tachikawa, Tachikawa Air Base, Japan
3. June 1968 - June 1970, staff general surgeon and instructor in general surgery residency, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
4. June 1970 - June 1974, staff general surgeon, chairman department of surgery, and director of hospital services, USAF Academy Hospital, U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colo.
5. June 1974 - August 1976, staff general surgeon, director of hospital services, and deputy commander, USAF Regional Hospital March, March Air Force Base, Calif.
6. September 1976 - October 1978, staff general surgeon, director of hospital services, and deputy commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
7. October 1978 - November 1981, commander, David Grant USAF Medical Center, Travis Air Force Base, Calif.
8. November 1981 - March 1985, commander, Malcolm Grow USAF Medical Center, Andrews Air Force Base, Md.
9. March 1985 - February 1987, command surgeon, Headquarters Military Airlift Command, Scott Air Force Base, Calif.
10. February 1987 - May 1990, commander, Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center, Lackland Air Force Base, Texas
11. May 1990 - August 1991, command surgeon, Headquarters Air Training Command, and commander, Joint Military Medical Command, Randolph Air Force Base, Texas
12. August 1991 - present, command surgeon, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany

FLIGHT INFORMATION

Rating: Chief flight surgeon
Flight hours: More than 1,600
Aircraft flown: C-141, KC-135, C-130, T-29, C-5, T-39, C-21, C-12, C-9A, T-33, T-38, H-53, H-3, UH-1

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS

Distinguished Service Medal
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Meritorious Service Medal
Air Force Commendation Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Vietnam Service Medal
Order of Merit-Brazil
Gold Cross of Honor-Germany

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS

Order of the Sword - bestowed by enlisted personnel of Air Training Command
Clinical professor of surgery, University of Texas Health Science Center-San Antonio
Ira C. Eaker fellow - Air Force Association, Aerospace Education Foundation
Board of Governors, American College of Surgeons
Board of Regents, National Library of Medicine
Board of Regents, adviser, Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
Board of Trustees, Air Force Village Foundation
Board of Directors, Alamo Chapter, American Red Cross, San Antonio

EFFECTIVE DATES OF PROMOTION

Captain Oct 14, 1963
Major Dec 15, 1966
Lieutenant Colonel Aug 8, 1968
Colonel Jun 15, 1973
Brigadier General Oct 1, 1982
Major General Apr 15, 1987

8 posted on 10/26/2005 3:31:31 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: visualops

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9 posted on 10/26/2005 3:36:41 PM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: haole
he does not lay blame where it should

Very true. In an earlier thread, Kerry has demanded a 20,000 man troop pull out of Iraq by Christmas. He thus demonstrates that he learned the real lesson of Vietnam, namely how to lose a war in the most humiliating manner and with the greatest long term repercussions.

I would envision the initial stages of the loss of this war to be as follows:

First, turn increasingly large portions of the war over to the Iraqi without answering the challenge presented by the subversion of the Police and Military by terrorist sympathizers.

Second begin withdrawing US troops according to a timetable and without any connection to the situation on the ground.

Negotiate through the UN with the "new' fundamentalist Iraqi government.Watch with "concern" while the fall of Iraq is followed by the fall of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

Use the North Korean model for our negotiations with each of these "new" states.

Reelect Hillery to a second term.

10 posted on 10/26/2005 3:50:14 PM PDT by JimSEA
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"...The Democrat left will never put the country before party and political power; never!"

USA. RIP. THE WEST HAS TWO ENEMIES. THE LEFT ARE THE ENABLERS OF ISLAM.

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What is Jihad: The Arabic word Jihad is derived from the root word Jahada (struggle). Jihad has come to mean an offensive war to be waged by Muslims against all non-Muslims to convert them to Islam on the pain of death. Jihad is enjoined on all Muslims by the Quran.

This site brings you the history of the Islamic Jihad from a neutral and factual viewpoint.

Site Map

The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)

The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651)

The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians - modern Sudanese (650)

The Jihad against pagan Berbers - North Africans (650 to 700)

The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)

The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)

The Jihad against Franks - modern French (720 to 732)

The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)

The Jihad against Chinese (751)

The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)

The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)

The Crusade against Jihad (1096 – 1291 ongoing)

The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)

The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857)

The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)

The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)

The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)

The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)

The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)

The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)

The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)

The Jihad against Albania (1332 - 1853)

The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)

The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)

The Jihad against Austrians (1683)

Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries)

The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing)

The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)

The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Germans (1945 onwards)

The Jihad against the Indians (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)

The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)

The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)

The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)

The Global Jihad today (2001 – ongoing)

The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001– ongoing)




11 posted on 10/26/2005 4:12:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: JimSEA
he does not lay blame where it should

Very true

Actually, he lays blame exactly where it ought to be. At the end of the article, he talks about the enemy as Islam.

In the meat of the article he explains that the moderate adherents either toe the line or die (i.e. moderate Islam is the bastion of useful idiocy regarding venomous Islam). They might be nice but the cannot help us or themselves.

Islam is ruled by the hardliners...they want us (non-muslims) converted, subjugated or dead.

This article nails the point very cleverly. Too bad our President would rather hold hands with Abdullah than dissect this deadly issue.

Check one...converted, subjugated or dead.

Those are the options. (Freep this poll?)

12 posted on 10/26/2005 4:16:23 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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Hey Freddie. And what is the goal of jihad?


13 posted on 10/26/2005 4:18:07 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

To keep on adding to the list is my guess...


14 posted on 10/26/2005 4:54:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Dark Skies
I don't perhaps see things quite the same. Islam will be Islam, true to their nature and we had best recognize it. Blame for acting contrary to our won best interests should, on the other hand, be placed squarely on the academics and politicians who work against the interests of our nation and nations similarly positioned so they can seize power. I have yet to figure out what the John Kerry's or Noam Chomsky's of the world would do if, successful in seizing power, they are faced with the 1.3 billion or so Muslims intent on their subjugation or death.
15 posted on 10/26/2005 4:58:29 PM PDT by JimSEA
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We are in the same camp.

Islam seeks to destroy all non-muslims.

I don't blame muslims, I blame Islam, the Quran, Mohammed....and Allah/Satan.

This is the final battle.

16 posted on 10/26/2005 5:22:23 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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a good read, except that he does not lay blame where it should.

And Bush and the GOP leaders are NOT doing enough to get the message out ( Clue the MSM isn't going to do it )
17 posted on 10/26/2005 5:26:32 PM PDT by uncbob
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You are so right. The message must get out. Why isn't the President telling us the truth?

It isn't a noble thing to obscure the truth...even if only to protect friends and hand-holding buddies of your father.

Our President doesn't see the enemy. History has done us in. The CIA is friends with the Saudi's...and so is W.

The love of oil is our end.

And for you idiots that think I am saying the war is bad...there has never been a nobler war. Islam seeks our death. We must stop it.

18 posted on 10/26/2005 5:48:23 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Islam is as "...dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies; fastattacksailor; swordfish71; broadsword; Nesher; jan in Colorado; ariamne; ...
WOW! Thanks for the ping Dark Skies, this is great.

Read this carefully, ladies and gents, the good general is spot on!

19 posted on 10/26/2005 9:42:56 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: Fred Nerks

Spot on as usual, Freddy. Good time-line assemblage.

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced!"


20 posted on 10/27/2005 3:48:10 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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