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Roche halts US bird flu drug supplies (Tamiflu)
Reuters ^ | 10-27-05 | Tom Armitage

Posted on 10/27/2005 1:05:01 PM PDT by emiller

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I've already "hoarded" enough for my family- have you? They give themselves away when they say they want to have enough for the government. They can get so much more from those gubmint contracts.
1 posted on 10/27/2005 1:05:02 PM PDT by emiller
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I have also heard that "relenza" is good stuff...


2 posted on 10/27/2005 1:07:18 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: emiller

Buy hogs. And hog companies.


3 posted on 10/27/2005 1:09:39 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: emiller

Yup.


4 posted on 10/27/2005 1:15:37 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: emiller

there is no evidence that Tamiflu would be of any use against a human form of H51.


5 posted on 10/27/2005 1:17:03 PM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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ahh the glorious central planners, stupid peasants we will tell you what you need!


6 posted on 10/27/2005 1:18:43 PM PDT by vrwc0915 (I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against al)
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To: emiller

So, I had a sore throat on Tuesday, the sniffles, and now I have a crappy cough. I suppose it's the Bird Flu, for sure! I'd better run right down to the ER and get my Tamiflu, I suppose.

Oh...wait...it's just a cold. I'll feel better in a day or two. Never mind.


7 posted on 10/27/2005 1:18:52 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Why have you hoarded it? Unless you plan on sleeping with your chickens and ducks underneath your hut or slaughter birds yourself, there is no real risk from the avian flu. Did you realize there is a fairly short shelf-life for the product? Did you also know that it has not preventative properties? Tamiflu is only of benefit once you have the influenza infection or are exposed while you are on it. It works by halting cell lysis and release of new viral particles long enough for your immune system to work out its response. If you take it too soon, it will not help.


8 posted on 10/27/2005 1:21:02 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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"there is no evidence that Tamiflu would be of any use against a human form of H51."

Yes there is. It has been effective against most (but not all) forms of the bird form of H51. Any human form of H51 will more likely than not come from the majority of strains of H51 that have been effectively treated by Tamiflu. And yes, there's a chance the mutation will cause Tamiflu to lose effectiveness, but there's also a very good chance that it won't.

Do you think all these nations all over the world are frantically stocking up on Tamiflu because they know it won't work?


9 posted on 10/27/2005 1:23:01 PM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Relenza is good, but in even shorter supply. About 1/10 the production of Tamiflu.


10 posted on 10/27/2005 1:23:23 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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Did you realize there is a fairly short shelf-life for the product? Did you also know that it has not preventative properties?

You are blatantly, conspicuously, totally WRONG.

Most tamiflu capsules being purchased now have expirations dates of 2009-2010.

Prophylactic administration of Tamiflu is an approved use. In practice, few do this.

Sometime consider educating yourself before you post.

11 posted on 10/27/2005 1:25:22 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: WilliamWallace1999

Now...don't confuse folks with facts. [grin] You just can't get enough of that Tamiflu. That's why Roche is halting deliveries to the US. We're pretty wierd about hoarding stuff.

I'm sure doctors are getting all sorts of Tamiflu requests from their more hypochondriacal patients. Wierd.


12 posted on 10/27/2005 1:25:37 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: vrwc0915
>ahh the glorious central planners, stupid peasants we will tell you what you need!


Oh my God, man, how
can you joke?! Remember the
Y2K carnage?!

13 posted on 10/27/2005 1:27:04 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Altair333

It does appear that current H5N1 strains might require a higher/longer dose. Worth keeping in mind if anyone is planning a purchase (better be a real quick purchase).


14 posted on 10/27/2005 1:27:31 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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Here's how you stop the bird flu in its tracks.....

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15 posted on 10/27/2005 1:27:36 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: va4me
There is no human form of a human form of H5N1. At least not a form that you have to sleep with a duck to get. We're waiting for H5N1 to mutate randomly into an easily transmittable and just as virulent form. Course since it's completely random, and there are billions of possible recombinations most of which won't hurt us, it may never occur.

Course again there are trillions of other virus' out there that could by chance morph into killers to.

Awfully lot of wild speculation to deal with here.
16 posted on 10/27/2005 1:29:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Run that first sentence by me again.


17 posted on 10/27/2005 1:30:58 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: Altair333


An Article in this months Scientific American backs up Tamiflus effectiveness, but it takes high dosages...still works though.


18 posted on 10/27/2005 1:32:48 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: BearWash
I wish you could edit posts. Let me try again:

There is no human form of H5N1. The one out there you have to sleep with a duck to get.

19 posted on 10/27/2005 1:34:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: emiller
I've already "hoarded" enough for my family- have you? They give themselves away when they say they want to have enough for the government. They can get so much more from those gubmint contracts.

I dunno, there seems to be a possible Tragedy of the Commons angle to all this. On the one hand free markets and self-reliance are usually the best solution, but on the other, were antibiotics not prescription-controlled the overuse of them and rise of resistant mutations would be greatly increased. That example isn't exactly parallel because it involves doctors, not gov't, as the gatekeeper, but is food for thought.

20 posted on 10/27/2005 1:35:45 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (SonofaBuckner Qualls and Lidge, king and queen of Choke City, USA)
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