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Roche halts US bird flu drug supplies (Tamiflu)
Reuters ^ | 10-27-05 | Tom Armitage

Posted on 10/27/2005 1:05:01 PM PDT by emiller

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To: emiller

I am still trying to figure out how to dress up as the Avian Flu for Halloween.


21 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:22 PM PDT by Feiny (What Would Scooby Doo?)
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To: DManA
There is no human form of H5N1. The one out there you have to sleep with a duck to get.

So the human form should soon start to appear in San Francisco?

22 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:26 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (SonofaBuckner Qualls and Lidge, king and queen of Choke City, USA)
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To: DManA

I'm sure that will come as a surprise to the 67-odd people killed by H5N1.


23 posted on 10/27/2005 1:37:31 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
I am still trying to figure out how to dress up as the Avian Flu for Halloween.

A chimney with bird wings?

24 posted on 10/27/2005 1:38:08 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (SonofaBuckner Qualls and Lidge, king and queen of Choke City, USA)
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To: coloradan
He means there is no present form (as far as we know) that is easily transmissible human-to-human (H2H).
25 posted on 10/27/2005 1:40:11 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: emiller
"This resulted in increased demand for Tamiflu in part from individuals who are doing private stockpiling and at the moment there is no influenza circulating and the threat of a pandemic has not (materialized)," a spokeswoman said.

Great idea! It will be so much easier to send in the shipments when the pandemic starts, what with people at Fed Ex and UPS all being subject to the same pandemic, rather than increasing production now to fill demand (and make a few bucks).

People really shouldn't hoard fire extinguishers until fire season starts, either, and they shouldn't buckle up until the van in the oncoming lane swerves into their own lane. They also shouldn't buy a gun until they are taken hostage in their own home. Don't worry, the government will protect you.

26 posted on 10/27/2005 1:42:28 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan

I like your last paragraph.


27 posted on 10/27/2005 1:43:52 PM PDT by steve86 (@)
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To: BearWash

The day that changes will be a day too late to decide to start "stockpiling" tamiflu.


28 posted on 10/27/2005 1:44:07 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan

All the know varieties of H5N1 are extremely virulent but very difficult to catch. The big fear is that it will mutate into form that is easily transmissable and STILL as virulent. Have you seen any scientist give any scientifically valid odds on this happening? All I read are folks saying it's inevitable. I am skeptical of this. Plus, if it could happen anytime from 10 days ago till 50 years from now, what are we supposed to do with that information?


29 posted on 10/27/2005 1:45:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: coloradan

What about insurance? Should I buy it for my house? It hasn't burned yet.


30 posted on 10/27/2005 1:47:37 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: coloradan
I'm sure that will come as a surprise to the 67-odd people killed by H5N1.

There is no human-to-human transmittable virus at the moment. Hence, the sleeping with the duck thing.
31 posted on 10/27/2005 1:48:16 PM PDT by Daus
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To: emiller
The State of NH recently asked doctors not to prescribe Tamiflu for their family members, because it might be needed in an emergency and they are worried about supplies.

If that's not strong advice TO stockpile, I don't know what is.

32 posted on 10/27/2005 1:49:37 PM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Daus

Thank you. Care to apply to be my translator?


33 posted on 10/27/2005 1:57:45 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Your welcome. I excel at simplicity. :)


34 posted on 10/27/2005 2:01:52 PM PDT by Daus
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Apparently, we're supposed to do nothing with the information, because our betters in Washington will make the decision for us. What I understand is that we are statistically overdue for a pandemic, in the same way that California is overdue for a big earthquake. Sure, it might not come in our lifetimes, but if no one makes any preparations, if it does happen tomorrow, a lot of people are going to die.

It's neither a big deal nor "paranoid" to attach bookshelves to the wall, to put a strap around your water heater, to have a few gallons of bottled water, etc., to minimize damage and increase survivability in the event of earthquake. In the same way that it's not a big deal to buy a course or two of tamiflu and put it in the medicine cabinet.

Let's be clear that if a big quake does come through, the authorities will be thankful for every person who doesn't become an urgent care/triage patient immedately, to say nothing of everyone's value of their saving their own lives. I would posit that if the pandemic does begin, the authorities will be thankful in the same way for every single person who does ward off the disease by means of "hoarded" tamiflu, and doens't come crying to them for tamiflu now, or on stretchers (or in bodybags). But, apparently, Roche doesn't want to entertain this.

35 posted on 10/27/2005 2:10:46 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: cowtowney

No, there's no need to buy insurance until either the thieves are in it, the earthquake, flood, or fire has begun, or the tornado has just passed your neighbor's house. Any sooner than that, and you're just hoarding insurance - taking it away from someone who needs it now, you sick, evil person.

(/sarcasm, obviously)


36 posted on 10/27/2005 2:13:26 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Daus
Correction: There is no easily human-to-human transmissable virus, at the moment.
37 posted on 10/27/2005 2:14:54 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Jim Noble

Q: Will it be easier for authorities to contain an outbreak if 10% of the population already had treatment waiting in their medicine cabinet, or if no one did?

Q: Will the eventual supply of tamiflu be more if they start making it now at increased levels, to fill the current demand, or if they continue production at historic levels, and only increase production when flu season starts?


38 posted on 10/27/2005 2:22:57 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan
Correction: There is no easily human-to-human transmissable virus, at the moment.

I'm afraid you will need to spell out for me the 'non-easy' scenario that is in fact human-to-human transmission.
39 posted on 10/27/2005 2:33:46 PM PDT by Daus
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To: Daus

Exchange of bodily fluids, similar to transmission of HIV. (Mere skin contact won't do it.) There is one case of daughter-to-mother transmission of bird flu, IIRC.


40 posted on 10/27/2005 2:43:47 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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