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I notice you move to "its too late for alternatives"

Ill take that as the truth it is shows, you cannot offer any. That is the reality of this. There WAS NOT an alternative, save Ignore it alltogether.

12 years of games was the Real quagmire.

"400 BILLION and 2000 Dead! Wrap your head around that."

How much of that money would have been spent anyway? Soldiers eat in peace time, they spend ammo and fuel in peace time, they get paid in peace time. How much of that money has already been spent? In addition, how many died as a result of the terrorism that Saddam financed? Surely you will not say that he didn't, and surely you will not say that 9 11 was the ONLY terrorism that matters, will you?

Ignoring the problem is part of what got over 3000 killed on 9 11, I am saddened that you omit that little tidbit.

I can argue the removal of saddam from the UN resolution standpoint or I can argue it from the Bush Doctrine standpoint Both have Merit. I prefer to cite both entities as reason for his removal.

The UN matters when it does was it was intended to do. One sided crap they put out is rediculous and should be called what it is A FARCE....as the Oil For Food progam has been exposed to be. As Rawanda was exposed, as Sudan is being exposed today, as Kosovo shows you, not to mention that little escapade in Somalia....

Was saddams invasion of Kuwait "sanctioned"? Of Iran?
His financing of terrorism in Israel? His harboring of Abu Nidal? The 39 SCUDS he threw at Israel when they were not even part of the conflict? Or when he threw missiles he claimed not to have to begin with at Kuwait city? The gassing of the Kurds? The draining of the wetlands in southern Iraq? The harboring and financing of terrorism????? Any of that Sanctioned by the UN HA HA HA I love this line of you opposers....it fails so miserably yet you try it over and over again anyway.

The U.N., like yourself, refuse to offer alternatives. In addition, you both also fail to admit the very same thing. The simple reality that there was nothing left to try except military force to remove Saddam and his regime. Inaction is no longer an option but I guess you forgot what happened that day in September when inaction was the choice made. you fail to see that you call for (prior to this war and now) the very basic notion that lead to that day.

Someday you will see that.

LOL @ protecting the Saudis. Again you use a broad brush and you should think twice about that. To say all the Saudis think alike is to say all Americans think alike. Isn't this very discussion proof that isn't the case? Cmon now, get real eh?

You tell me to remember the dead, while at the same time you dismiss those that died in 1991. You do this by omitting the reality of 687 and what was called for on Saddams part.You dismiss all those souls dead as a result of terrorism that went on unopposed. Tyrany that was allowed to progress due to lack of ideological will by people in power with the same mindset you pose here. I 0ffer that you need to practice what it is you are attempting to preach. Remember what went on in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003.

Here is a choice, you see the top 6 commanders of Al Qaeda. We capture or kill 4 of them ( possibly killing Osama too as you can present no proof he lives) and you call that a failure. You keep trend with the idea that total failure results when perfection is not attained.

I would love to see Osama captured. If he isnt dead already. I would also love to see Aiman captured or killed. Maybe, just maybe, that has something to do with why troops remain in Afghanistan today HUH? Instead of wishing those soldiers luck in their mission of finding Osama you blame Bush for the fact he isn't captured yet. See your mindset? It is indeed backwards and partison ideology is what got you there.

Oppose Oppose Oppose at all costs.....you don't even see where that has lead you do you? It has lead you to the very same positions that Osama himself argues. Sad It IS.

Your endless opposition without qualifying alternative solution has made you take the same position as that of the people that will fly planes into buildings and blow up civilians at a market place with a carbomb. The same folks that will send rockets with no guidance at anyone they will hit, the very same folks that put ona vest of bombs and blow up unsuspecting innocent people just shopping or eating. You know the same folks that Saddam Financed.

Now you may ignore what I just said, you may strictly deny it. Facts show otherwise. Opposition without alternative solution can make strange bedfellows, you sir, lie with those we fight against today. I hope you take solice in your position, its your choice. I offer that maybe you should make a different one ......being American and all.