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To: gamarob1
That's still not a reason to eradicate the entire technology that has conceived children for countless infertile couples, including Christians. What the general population does, follows in line with a sinful humanity. But educating them is the answer, not blindly destroying technology that does good.

That good can arise from manifest evil is certainly beyond dispute over the long history of human evil in pursuit of good, both real and imagined.

The technology of IVF traffics in death. Death is an integral part of the technology. It's a matter of percentages, very unfavorable percentages from the viewpoint of the microscopic humans which are created and destroyed in its shotgun approach towards pregnancy.

The Talmud, a millenia old book of Jewish theological scholarship, has this to say on the subject:

"The governor of my town has ordered me to kill so-and-so, 'if not,' he says, 'I will kill you'."

[Raba] answered him, "Let him slay you rather than you commit murder. Who knows that your blood is redder? Perhaps his blood is redder."
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin, 74a

... and this ...

He who destroys a life is as if he destroyed an entire world; and he who saves a life is as if he saved an entire world.
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin, 37a

Playing the odds with IVF, you get to destroy many worlds while creating one.

I understand the intensity of the pull towards a biological child. I felt it deeply, and we grieved for the loss of the blood son or daughter my wife and I are unable to have. It's a process one has to go through to ready oneself to welcome someone else's unwanted child - who for whatever reason was NOT killed before birth - into your own family.

Someone who considers themselves to be a serious Christian or Jew, I think ought to consider the moral and ethical issues of IVF very carefully before proceeding.

75 posted on 10/27/2005 8:57:11 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
I don't hold any value in the Talmud at all, so you're wasting your time

God has blessed many with this technology. If done right, there's no problem. I'm sorry if that robs you of the opportunity to make a moral grandstand.

79 posted on 10/27/2005 8:58:44 PM PDT by gamarob1
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