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1 posted on 10/28/2005 3:29:36 PM PDT by Crackingham
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When you don't know, you don't know. Teach both sides, the truth will someday be known.


2 posted on 10/28/2005 3:33:01 PM PDT by wvobiwan (Liberal Slogan: "News maganizes don't kill people, Muslims do." - Ann Coulter)
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I don't know about the US, but government schools are certainly hostile to science, indeed to education and children altogether.


5 posted on 10/28/2005 3:39:47 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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"It is alienating young people from science. It basically tells them that the scientific community is not to be trusted and you would have to abandon your principles of faith to become a scientist, which is not at all true," he said.

"alienating young people from science..." - You mean the way "evolution" has been alienating people of faith for many years now?


6 posted on 10/28/2005 3:41:20 PM PDT by ryan71
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Is US becoming hostile to science?

No.

7 posted on 10/28/2005 3:43:09 PM PDT by KMJames
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Is the US becoming hostile to science???

Not at all, it IS however, HOSTILE towards the Christian faith.


8 posted on 10/28/2005 3:43:45 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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You want to teach me there's no God!

And that it's OK to put a fetus in a blender to further your "experiments"!!

And that we should kill, innocent, defenseless people because they are inconvenient!!!

And then call me anti-science???

Then by all means, CALL ME ANTI-SCIENCE!
10 posted on 10/28/2005 3:48:10 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers,

Exactly. So when will what masqurades as science lay down its ideological dogma and engage in informed exchange ?

They are scared to death of dissent which is not the trait of a group with truth on their side.
11 posted on 10/28/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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Nothing evolves like Evolution.

It became a science how? By designing experiments that are repeatable? You don't have to believe in ID in order to have deep suspicions about the TOE.


15 posted on 10/28/2005 3:51:27 PM PDT by BlueYonder
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When the two best things the US had going in the general area of science, the Apollo program and the Supercollider, were killed off in one generation, it was obvious that the US was, sooner rather than later, no longer to lead the world in science.


16 posted on 10/28/2005 3:51:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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Fifteen percent of Americans believe that life and humans evolved on this planet with no intervention from another power. Adherents to evolution are not just a minority, but they've slipped to 'cult' status.

The disagreement among Americans is over where the intervention occurred - some believe that God sparked life from nothing, guiding evolution, others believe He created everything wholesale. In any case, this is not an attack on science, it is science ignoring popular belief.

Some may argue that most people once believed that the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. The comparison falls flat - whereas it is easily demonstrable that the planet isn't flat, or that the planet revolves around the sun, it is not demonstrable that evolution is an unbroken chain from a primordial soup to humans today; and if you extend it further, scientists have yet to come up with a demonstrable method of explaining what existed prior to the big bang.

The attack here is not on science, it is science attacking modern belief and then modeling themselves as being astounded when everyone doesn't take their word immediately and that proof is demanded.

No wonder so many liberals are attracted to Universities - one can come up with any idea and propound it as being 'the truth' and attack anyone who doesn't immediately fall in line. Socialism at it's best.
21 posted on 10/28/2005 3:57:26 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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The US is becoming more hostile to science, as it increasingly encourages abortion and euthanasia.

There's less motivation to solve some of the more severe problems people have, when it's easier to just throw the people with the problems on the dung heap.

22 posted on 10/28/2005 3:59:08 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush hasn't done a bad job, all things (WOT, vagaries of Nature, Lib lies + obstruction) considered)
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Oh. Just now the US has become "hostile to science?"

Really? Did the brainy liberals miss post-modernism, post-structuralism, the past 50 years of academic "discourse" in America?

It's obvious they did. Either that, or they're engaged in a little propaganda for the masses.

26 posted on 10/28/2005 4:00:40 PM PDT by Reactionary
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So all of science rests on whether intelligent design is taught or not? How simple minded and pathetic the world has become. The university engages in perverse science fiction through social sciences and "environmentalism" they have no damn right to criticize anyone.
27 posted on 10/28/2005 4:00:51 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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On the other side, conservative scholar Michael Novak of the American Enterprise Institute, believes the only way to heal the rift between science and religion is to allow the teaching of intelligent design.

If CS/ID is brought into the science classes everything is fair game. Do people actually want science dissecting the believability of particular religious beliefs?

28 posted on 10/28/2005 4:01:21 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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[ Is US becoming hostile to science? ]

NO.. the U.S. is becoming hostile to GOD..

And a brain washed electorate (whom are mostly believers of some sort) is fueling it.. Sheeple ain't too smart..

Even Jews whom are mostly democrats could care less the democrat party is on the side of the Jews enemys ALL OF THEM.. with the exception of Nazis and skinheads.. They see nazis and skinheads as with blinders ignoring all others..

NEXT WEEK- the blacks whom are mostly democrats too.. same situation with blinders like a black nag in an Ostrich race.. Would be funny, if it was..

32 posted on 10/28/2005 4:03:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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Evolution/Creation/ID is a serious issue, but this kind of hyperbole simply plays into the hands of our enemies in the foreign media and their domestic collaborators.

It is also something of a smokescreen. Many skeptics and critical thinking activists, notably Robert Sheaffer of the Debunker's Domain, are aware that much of the real hostility to science comes not from Creationists but from fuzzy-minded New Agers and post-modernists. Many of the latter, for example, assert that science and logic are merely inventions of the white male European hegemony. I have seen the word "logocentric" used in all seriousness in recent years, as though a preference for logic and evidence were merely another prejudice to be condemned and proscribed.

As for the New Age, this is practically the state religion of the institutional media culture. The media culture's commercial and political incentive for undermining rational thought is obvious. Hostility to science, and the triumph of intuition, emotion, and folklore over science, are tiresomely common themes in popular media presentations. This is, of course, the Spock/McCoy meme from Star Trek, repeated in endless permutations over the decades since.

Some years ago, the University of North Texas provided a class in "aura-reading." The instructor was what you might expect, a middle-aged Earth mother type who might otherwise be employed reading tea leaves or bat entrails. She spotted me as a skeptic. Her response was so extraordinary that I wrote it down verbatim and kept the words all these years:

"Intuition and sympathetic magic are part of a nurturing life-centered, worldview that is just as valid as all this white male science of yours."

I responded, "Ok, we'll both fly to Chicago. I'll get on a plane designed by wicked scientists and engineers. You get on one designed by a committee of witch-doctors and aura-readers and we'll see who gets there." Her additional response? I had an "evil aura."

33 posted on 10/28/2005 4:03:15 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Islamo-terrorists: Strike force of the MSM)
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I become hostile to "science" when they shove their global warming lies in my face.


34 posted on 10/28/2005 4:03:37 PM PDT by Fledermaus (For years Rush has said the left would really go off the deep end once out of power. He was right!)
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Most of the scientific innovations coming today are from American universities and military research. That being said, anti-evolutionists certainly aren't in the driving seat of those innovations.


37 posted on 10/28/2005 4:05:50 PM PDT by sagar (feelin' sarcastic today)
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Is Reuters becoming hostile to facts?


39 posted on 10/28/2005 4:06:19 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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The US has always been hostile to science. Virtually all women hate science and revel in not knowing anything about it.


48 posted on 10/28/2005 4:11:02 PM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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