Sixth night of riots in Paris

CNN Associated Press Report ^ | Tuesday, November 1, 2005 | Unknown

[rmlew]

Nick Sarkozy is not doing his job.
The failure to apply force is destructive to society.
Lawrence Auster is blogging this now.
As I noted in my blog, Sarkozy should be apologizing for not putting this down day one, not for the unauthorized tear gassing of a Mosque filled with rioters.

[Dark Skies]

Dang man...shatter my hopes. I will read your links and come back.

[Clemenza]

As my uncle would tell you, Central Newark was out of control in '67 until the National Guard came in and started shooting looters. Like magic, the rioting stopped.

Two things learned from the 1960s urban "uprisings":

1. Send police in immediatly. They may not be enough to stop the rioters, but they can at least keep it from spreading. Look at how the riots have spread to St. Denis in this case.

2. As much as the left and the squishy right hates it "shoot to kill" works.

[Ray66]

Ghettos shackle French Muslims

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm

Nothing like some good old reporting from the BBC to help things along but it does provide some interesting insight into France.

[Dark Skies]

Good blog...I spent a big chuck of my mid-career (15 years) in the City.

With regard to Sarkozi...he exists in a different world. I would hope that he will gain some popularity and use that capital to come down harder. This situation may push him to take risks that he wouldn't have otherwise.

Good luck with your blog.

BTW, is there another leader in France that is worth keeping an eye on?

[rmlew]

As much as the left and the squishy right hates it "shoot to kill" works.
While I preffer irritants like tear gas or pepper balls, lead will do the job. The one caveat is that the media portrayal of the deaths may lead to more rioting.

[1rudeboy]

A voice of sanity on this thread. Go figure.

[rmlew]

I like Sarkozy. However, the problems facing France are not those that classical liberalism can deal with.
France faces conquest by Muslims, destruction of its culture, and a failure to reproduce.
Rally for the Republic, Chirac's party, was created by De Gaulle as a nationalist party with Christian roots. Unfortunately, it has betrayed France and Europe to the Muslims with its Eurabian strategy and pathalogical hatred of America.
The Roman Catholic Church may reform has all but paied the Jizya to Muslims in the last 30 years.. This may change under Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI. However, the Frence no longer pay attention to the church.

The big winner from this rioting may by the National Front, a rather unpleasent nationalist party with fascist roots. Sadly, they are the only ones standing up for the French.

[Vicomte13]

"BTW, is there another leader in France that is worth keeping an eye on?"

Yes. Villepin. He will be the next President.

[Dark Skies]

Is it possible that this is just the 1st quarter of this game? I don't think the game is over for Sarkozi because he seems to be the only one representing his end of the spectrum.

I just did a 20 minute review of international news and he still seems to be the only symbol of toughness in France. Unless there is someone else.

As a New Yorker, I followed Rudy's career. It wasn't always roses. Sarkozi (Sarkozy) is on a very steep learning curve. But he is riding the wave.

[Vicomte13]

Yes, the nationalist parties will surge.

However, it will not be Le Pen who benefits most. He is old, and has established a reputation as an anti-Semite.

It is, rather, Phillipe de Villiers who has the greatest prospect of emerging as the leader of the nationalist right.

[Vicomte13]

Lead is a bad option in Paris.
It will bring down the government.

The French tradition is large manifestations WITHOUT anybody getting killed. If the police start killing people to clear the streets, the rest of France will be repelled and the government will fall.

[Dark Skies]

The power vacuum created by weakness in Europe and the U.S. will be filled (that's nature at work). Hopefully, Sarkozi can fill it in France. But if not...fascism or nazism will step into the void. And then all hell breaks loose.

I think Sarkozi (my fingers always want to put an "i" at the end of his name...who am I to disagree) is walking a very fine line...I think he knows he has step into history (his face gives it away).

God bless us all...but here it comes.

[Flavius]

[snoringbear]

It's my understanding that the froggie's are protesting new government proposals to increase the work-week, reduce import restrictions, etc. In other words, they are against opening up their highly restricted markets to the rest of the world - the socialists are balking. So, I say, let them drown in their own bile of 11% unemployement, zero job growth, entitlement programs doomed to go broke, etc, etc! Go froggies!!!

[rmlew]

Last time I checked, Phillippe de Villiers was a member of the Gaulist UMP. Of course, I have not been following French politics since I stopped taking French.
I never hear of MPF (Movement For France). It is a good thing that parties write in slogans comprehensible to all, since I am really rusty.
They seem to be a nationalist, traditionalist, Euro-skeptic party without the baggage of Le Pen and FN. Unfortunately, their program is "under construction", so I have no idea what concrete steps they would take.
It seems to me that that MPF is not that different from Charles Pasqua's Rally for France and European Independence or from Bruno Mégret's MNR?
Le Pen is an old anti-Semite with enough baggage to sink anyone. However, he did come in Second in the last Presidential elections.

[rmlew]

I did suggest tear gas or peper balls.

Of course, in the really bad old days, a certain Corsican artilleryman did a wonderful job of using grapeshot against rioters, helping to propel him to the role of Counsul and Emperor.

[rmlew]

The French are rather annoying politically and otherwise. However, they are part of the west and are being overrun by Mohhamedans. We must support them in this struggle.

[Vicomte13]

Villiers will be interesting because he took the right stand on Europe, and will benefit from the strong anti-immigrant backlash that is coming in France thanks to these riots.

The National Front was discredited, but a new nationalist party, with a smoother and more aristocratic leader (enter: Philippe de Villiers!) can assume their mantle.
I do not believe that Villiers' party will win any national elections, but I think they will take seats. The old left's answer to the riots is too palsied. Everyone feels the threat here, and their efforts to pretend this is just union social unrest is unpersuasive.

However, Villepin will win the Presidency. Sarkozy is in an impossible situation. He cannot truly "win" the riots, because all of the same people will be in place, and hating him, and agitating, and of course he will get the blame. Villepin will not remove him, because a crackdown is needed, and Sarkozy is Villepin's only potential rival for the presidency. So, Villepin will allow Sarkozy to fight the fight, and take the arrows, and do what is necessary, but Villepin will provide the healing balm and get the credit, and he will emerge the political victor.

In the 2007 presidentials, Villepin will be elected President. Sarkozy will either be subordinated, if he cannot find a way clear of the current situation. Or he will be prime minister. Villiers party may hold several seats in the Parliament, and could be a relatively constructive ally for the Villepin's party.

That is a long time from now, and politics are mercurial.
In the current riots, there will be muscle flexing and then calm. It will not generalize into a national strike, because nobody likes Muslims burning things. It is frightening, and it brings French people together to a common-sense solution. The only final solution to the issue is to break up the Islamist mosques and force secularization. Radical clerics must have their preaching licenses revoked and be expelled deep into Africa.

France will not stop the leaders from doing what is necessary.

[Clemenza]

It worked in the past, despite "media coverage" and the whining of the black panthers, Amiri Baraka, etc. The problem is with the squishy upper middle class females who would think such actions were "too harsh."