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Russia says new Topol RS-12 mobile ICBM can evade U.S. missile defense
RBC.ru via translation ^ | November 2, 2005

Posted on 11/01/2005 11:32:56 PM PST by HAL9000

New Russian rockets are capable to overcome American ABOUT

The Russian militarians approve, that have received the nuclear warhead, capable to overcome antimissile defense of the USA. Results of the test of an intercontinental ballistic missile lead yesterday "Poplar-th" testify to it with a new head part, informs a today's issue of the edition "Businessman".

Yesterday's rocket firing ?N-12I1 "Poplar-th" from a mobile launcher was already the sixth within the limits of test of the system created for overcoming of the American antimissile defense. However for the first time start-up has been made not from Plesetsk, and from proving ground Kapustin Jar on the tenth proving ground Balkhash located in Kazakhstan (Priozersk). It has been made that means of tracking of the USA for Alaska could not observe of the maneuvers, made by warheads after branch from intercontinental ballistic missiles. At flight from Kapustin Jara to Balkhash all parameters of flight can be supervised by exclusively Russian means of the control.

Yesterday Ministry of Defence has declared, that start-up was successful. The Russian militarians approve, that the maneuver made by a warhead on a trajectory of its flight on a final site does not allow to carry out its interception and destruction by existing systems of antimissile defense.

Under the application of strategic purpose of Nikolay Solovtsova ordering rocket armies, equipment of regular parts by mobile "Poplars-ths" with new warheads should begin in 2006. In the further annually in armies should act up to nine launchers. In parallel new warheads it is planned to establish for 40 units already developed in quantity mine "Poplar-th" and perspective sea rockets "Aoeaaa-30", created for arms of nuclear submarines.

Besides the Moscow institute heating engineers now works above equipment of "Poplars-th" by divided head parts of individual prompting. If this project will be realized, Russia for the first time will start creation mnogozarjadnyh intercontinental ballistic missiles after Moscow has refused their manufacture on conditions of niaaonei-American contract NIA-2 which has stopped the existence after the beginning of creation by Washington systems ABOUT.

We Shall remind, that all several days ago, on October, 27th Armed forces of the Russian Federation have made the first tests of other rocket of new generation "Bulava". Then the heavy rocket underwater cruiser of strategic purpose of Northern fleet "Dmitry Donskoj" under command of the captain of 1-st rank of Arcady Romanov has made start-up of a ballistic missile of sea basing "Bulava" from water area of the White sea on range the Hen on Kamchatka.

As the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Navy - the chief of the press-service of the Navy the captain of 1-st rank Igor Dygalo has informed, the head part of a rocket in an estimated time has hit the target on range. As have noted in Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, distinctive feature of the given rocket is that it is completely developed and created at the enterprises of the Russian defensive complex. Besides "Bulavu" probably to unify with a ground rocket complex of strategic purpose "Poplar-th".

In the ministry have added, that after test start-up the rocket will be established on arms of underwater cruisers of the project 955, one of which, APL "Jury Dolgoruky", will be a part of the Navy of the Russian Federation in 2007a.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; icbm; missile; missiles; rs12; russia; russianmilitary; sovietmilitary; topol; ussr2
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1 posted on 11/01/2005 11:32:57 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

I'm so glad we bought this new system for them with American tax-slave dollars. Enjoy Pooty! /s


2 posted on 11/01/2005 11:33:53 PM PST by Whitewasher (Would u like America to be a goat nation in the millennium to come? Keep pushing the "Roadmap" bull!)
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To: HAL9000

Oh brother. we're subsidizing anti-US armies now... is there anything the US hasn't given money to??? I am sure they are spending millions to conduct a search for more opportunities to spend money.


3 posted on 11/01/2005 11:37:58 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: HAL9000; anyone
Hey what kind of mobile launchers do we have? Also, do we have any rail launched missiles anymore?
4 posted on 11/01/2005 11:38:19 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: HAL9000

This is pointless, unless they want to export it. The Russian ICBM program has always relied on lots of strikes, and huge warheads. If they ever pull the pin, we're all dead men regardless of what's up in Alaska.

What they have now is never going to something a anti-missile system can cope with, and they know it. I'm sure there is some geopolitical reason for this, but I don't know what it is.


5 posted on 11/01/2005 11:40:32 PM PST by Threepwood
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To: Threepwood

That's OK, as our missile defense system was never designed to defend against the kind of massive attack we would expect from the Russians. It was designed to defend against a minimal missile attack from a rogue state or non-state actor.


6 posted on 11/01/2005 11:43:31 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: HAL9000
Meaningless. A full scale nuke shootout between us and the Russians means we're all dead or glowing, walking zombies.
7 posted on 11/01/2005 11:47:06 PM PST by zarf
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To: HAL9000
Besides the Moscow institute heating engineers now works above equipment of "Poplars-th" by divided head parts of individual prompting.


8 posted on 11/01/2005 11:49:03 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: FreedomCalls

That's how I always looked at it. A small attack from North Korea or Wherever-stan would be worthwhile to try and stop. No matter what ruinously expensive changes in their weapon hardware they made, a comparatively inexpensive software or reconfiguration could cope with it. We stay safe, they go (more) bankrupt.

Russia though? They punch a heck of a lot harder than North Korea, and not much is going to change that.


9 posted on 11/01/2005 11:54:44 PM PST by Threepwood
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To: HAL9000

"mnogozarjadnyh"

Every day, I learn a new word on Free Republic.


10 posted on 11/02/2005 12:00:03 AM PST by Fresh Wind (It is Watergate yet? Is it Watergate yet?)
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To: GeronL
Oh brother. we're subsidizing anti-US armies now...

Always have, always will. All in the name of trying to buy friendship.

11 posted on 11/02/2005 12:02:40 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Threepwood
This is pointless, unless they want to export it. The Russian ICBM program has always relied on lots of strikes, and huge warheads. If they ever pull the pin, we're all dead men regardless of what's up in Alaska.

You mean Russia's nukes are a lot more powerful than ours? I thought their military power is weakening?

12 posted on 11/02/2005 12:05:56 AM PST by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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To: taxesareforever

I have just started the Global Right-Wing Freedomist Institute (for peace through worldwide freedom) organization and I need the fedgov to give me a few million to get it moving. Would that be the State Dept?


13 posted on 11/02/2005 12:06:42 AM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: ChristianDefender

Non-nuclear power is weaker, if they had a real war they might have to resort to nukes because they can't fight a traditional one


14 posted on 11/02/2005 12:07:34 AM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: HAL9000
Why would they say that.?. Hmmm... Publicly.. even privately..
15 posted on 11/02/2005 12:12:12 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: GeronL

Oh brother. we're subsidizing anti-US armies now

It's all about oil.


16 posted on 11/02/2005 12:14:39 AM PST by jwh_Denver (Get lean and mean, write, fax, call, or email your representatives and pitch a pig.)
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To: GeronL

Interesting. I was considering opening the "Peace through Superior Firepower Institute". I'd like to get some funding too.


17 posted on 11/02/2005 12:15:31 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Whitewasher
I'm so glad we bought this new system for them with American tax-slave dollars.

Is that in the article? Or is that your private notion?

Frankly, these computerized translations are so hard to read that maybe it does say what you (and others) imply, but if it does, I can't find it.

18 posted on 11/02/2005 12:24:49 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: HAL9000; ProudVet77

The administrative leaders of the Russian Federation aren't very bright, are they. ...pretty much as transparent as the Iranian leadership they're playing fog-of-war footsie with.

Iran will be dealt with despite any vain chest thumping. The Russian military has issued the same empty threat about several different missile designs since our anti-ballistic missile defense program first went public. Russia's military is really very weak and behind on technology.

New Iran missiles can reach London
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227123/posts
(old news)

Things likely must happen soon, though, friends. Let's act like Americans.


19 posted on 11/02/2005 12:24:49 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: ChristianDefender

Doesn't China actually have more active missiles than Russia now?


20 posted on 11/02/2005 12:27:46 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: ChristianDefender

Not quite what I meant.

The Russians have always had to cope with less accurate targeting systems, and other hardware problems. They compensated by using nuclear warheads that were much larger than US/Nato types. That, and pushing through lots of strikes at once. An attack might be less likely to get here, but you'll sure notice if it did. The Brits had a similar theroy with their V-Strike weapons (Vulcans and Victors).They scrapped it (I believe) when they adopted sea bourne rocket systems.

Anyway, Russian nuclear doctrine hasn't changed too too much, and the hardware is all pretty much the same and still in place. It's not more powerful or advanced than the US approach, but it would be extremely effective (at sterilizing the planet) and very difficult to cope with even with something like the missile defence plan.

Your milage may vary on this. I'm no expert, so don't be shocked if someone pulls up and tells me I'm an idiot.:)


21 posted on 11/02/2005 12:33:09 AM PST by Threepwood
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To: HAL9000

Many ordinary Russians think the USA might attack Russia once it's left without its nuclear weapons.


22 posted on 11/02/2005 12:36:19 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: HAL9000

don't worry

i drive a mac g5 coulda bought a dell

same stuff

do not underate or lose faith...

every second factory seconds are generated


23 posted on 11/02/2005 12:40:17 AM PST by jackson29
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To: Whitewasher

ps

how do you spell b/s, hal9000?


24 posted on 11/02/2005 12:41:54 AM PST by jackson29
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To: jackson29

Why do Russia brag about saying this? Do they want to be on a war footing with America? Or is it just a clear propaganda ploy to deter any possible US 'bravado' type pre-emptive strike?


25 posted on 11/02/2005 1:06:22 AM PST by rhainw
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To: rhainw

everyone has to pat their backs and honk their horns

g5 is killer!
let alone tommorrow when the 9ntel is popped unde the hoood. let them say what they will... they will still suck hind tit


26 posted on 11/02/2005 1:14:21 AM PST by jackson29
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To: jackson29

Quit bogarting, dude.


27 posted on 11/02/2005 1:15:00 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: rhainw

All they'd have to do is run a poll over here to find that maybe 1.1% of Americans would want to nuke Russia now.


28 posted on 11/02/2005 1:16:02 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

d


29 posted on 11/02/2005 1:16:14 AM PST by jackson29
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Our mobile launchers are the Ohio class submarines. No land-based mobile launchers though.


30 posted on 11/02/2005 1:18:02 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: Threepwood

The only thing I would be concerned about is if Russia were to sell some of these New Nukes to countries like North Korea, or Iran.


31 posted on 11/02/2005 1:18:53 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: The Red Zone

doode,
as a leader of the g7 do you really think anyone can drive circles around the collective uncle sam? Phuque NO!

these other flakes can buy/bend /twist to emulate the real thing but it aint the same.

sure these other weenies can imitate but lack the infrastructure to follow thru and support

the world is full of dreamers


32 posted on 11/02/2005 1:23:42 AM PST by jackson29
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To: Threepwood

China.


33 posted on 11/02/2005 1:39:39 AM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: Texas_Jarhead

You could enter different doors to the same office.


34 posted on 11/02/2005 2:00:21 AM PST by carumba
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To: Texas_Jarhead
And I'm working on an anti-looting federation. Should bring in lots of fed bucks. 8>))

mc
35 posted on 11/02/2005 2:08:42 AM PST by mcshot (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON.)
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To: rhainw

I think its just an announcement of force capabilities developed after the fact of an ABM system being deployed in the U.S. MAD doesnt work unless the enemy knows you can still hit him.

Im pretty sure that it doesnt make a diff in the status quo. And no, China doesnt have more active weapons than russia.

According the bullettin of atomic scientists, active and deployed Russian nuclear warheads number about 4000 today. China has a total of only about 10% that.


36 posted on 11/02/2005 2:26:45 AM PST by ketelone
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To: ketelone

I just checked. The above number is "deployed". The total number of "active" warheads is 8250.


37 posted on 11/02/2005 2:28:29 AM PST by ketelone
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To: GeronL
>> Oh brother. we're subsidizing anti-US armies now

Only a true genius would let their potential enemy help develop weapons systems for/with them.

Can you say "crash and burn".
38 posted on 11/02/2005 2:59:04 AM PST by mmercier (sharing the couch of a god)
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To: HAL9000
The Russian militarians approve, that have received the nuclear warhead, capable to overcome antimissile defense of the USA.

We have an operational missile defense? The last I was aware of we had an airborne theater defense system in the testing stage.
39 posted on 11/02/2005 3:05:49 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: rhainw
Why do Russia brag about saying this?

PR aimed at the third world? It would show they really are technologically advanced and therefore their exported arms are every bit as good as our exported arms.
40 posted on 11/02/2005 3:09:42 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: HAL9000
Simple answer, add one pound of cobalt to each American warhead and a proximity sensor trigger.

The radioactive clouds of cobalt would overwhelm Russia's ability to respond for a few hundred thousand years.

Hard to stop fallout. Russia wants to up the stakes, we could respond with a doomsday weapon. Would bring the posturing and maneuvering to a complete halt for a generation.

While we are at it, demand Russia sink its ballistic subs, or we sink Russia, permanently. Since we are called the worlds dictator by all the world's dictators, bout time we dictated.
41 posted on 11/02/2005 3:24:12 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
While we are at it, demand Russia sink its ballistic subs, or we sink Russia, permanently. Since we are called the worlds dictator by all the world's dictators, bout time we dictated.

Well, that is what the new warheads are for. To counterbalance the ideas like the one you posted.

It is called MAD - mutual assured destruction.

These weapons are built to never being used. I hope they will pass their time sitting in silos and underground hangars and will be scrapped when the time comes. They are just a warranty that there will be not so much dictating imposed on us, Russians. Well, unless our own gevernment becomes so corrupt it decides to sell their own country.

42 posted on 11/02/2005 4:08:24 AM PST by K. Smirnov (Do not let the sands of time get into your lunch)
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To: K. Smirnov

Russia needs to take a big chill pill. America is still a democratic republic, and unless Russia gives the American people a real good reason to think it has become a world aggressor once more, the American people will regard Russia with a yawn. China is much more a concern now. We don't like nuclear wars, they're messy and inconvenient.


43 posted on 11/02/2005 4:13:59 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Hey what kind of mobile launchers do we have? Also, do we have any rail launched missiles anymore?

A single "boomer" has enough nuclear (nukular)firepower to destroy the world. We can launch from anywhere in the world.

44 posted on 11/02/2005 4:55:08 AM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: HAL9000

So they'll be selling this to Iran and Syria asap...right?


45 posted on 11/02/2005 4:59:55 AM PST by hershey
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To: HAL9000

Send ALGORE over to Russia with more of our tax dollars quick. /sarcasm


46 posted on 11/02/2005 5:01:09 AM PST by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
do we have any rail launched missiles anymore?

This concept never got off the drawing boards. Our sub launched missiles are our only mobile strategic missiles.

47 posted on 11/02/2005 5:11:44 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty
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To: ChristianDefender
The Russians (and the Soviets before the fall of Communism) always built larger missiles with more powerful warheads, to make up for the inaccuracy of their guidance systems. This is nothing new
48 posted on 11/02/2005 5:37:52 AM PST by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka

Does a nuclear missile need big accuracy?


49 posted on 11/02/2005 5:55:19 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

If you're trying to kill a nuclear missile in a hardened silo in South Dakota, yes.

If you're trying to hit Chicago (which is where I live), not so much. You set off a nuclear weapon inside the city limits, it makes a mess.

However, the Chicago City Council has outlawed transportation of nuclear weapons inside Chicago city limits, so if the Russians tried, they would be in violation of city ordinances.

Did I mention that Chicago aldermen are idiots?


50 posted on 11/02/2005 6:05:33 AM PST by Cheburashka
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