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Board member to resume testimony in 'intelligent design' trial
Times Leader (Wilkes-Barre, PA) ^ | 02 November 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 11/02/2005 3:35:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

A school board member who was questioned by a federal judge about discrepancies in his testimony on the purchase of "intelligent design" textbooks was expected to return to the witness stand Wednesday.

Dover Area School Board member Alan Bonsell was to undergo redirect questioning by an attorney representing the board in a landmark trial over whether intelligent design can be introduced in high school science classes.

Bonsell testified Monday that he had received an $850 check from fellow board member William Buckingham. The check was made out to Bonsell's father, who volunteered to donate copies of "Of Pandas and People" to the district.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III asked Bonsell why he never shared that information in a January deposition when he was repeatedly asked under oath about who was involved in making the donation. Bonsell, who served as the board's president in 2004, said he misspoke. [Note to school board lawyers: When the judge asks your client why he's lying, it's usually not a good sign.]

Buckingham testified Thursday he collected $850 in donations to help purchase the books during a Sunday service at his church.

The board is defending its October 2004 decision to require students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade biology lessons on evolution. The statement says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact," has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to the textbook for more information.

Eight families are suing to have intelligent design removed from the biology curriculum because they believe the policy essentially promotes the Bible's view of creation, and therefore violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

Intelligent design supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

The trial began Sept. 26 and is expected to conclude on Friday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bearingfalsewitness; creationisminadress; crevolist; dover; rwc1tempertantrum
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To: furball4paws
Don't make me unleash my secret weapon.


41 posted on 11/02/2005 8:29:30 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Runkel v. Winemiller (1796) - "By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion, and the sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing."

Goes to show that boneheaded Supreme Court decisions are nothing new. Unless you think the Men in Black are infallible?

That's just a Christian version of judicial activism. If the Founders wanted a Christian nation, they would have referenced Christ once in the documents that established this country. They didn't - were they trying to sneak Christianity in?

42 posted on 11/02/2005 8:30:02 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; WildHorseCrash
Runkel v. Winemiller (1796)

Since when does the Supreme Court of Maryland dictate the Constitution for the nation?

43 posted on 11/02/2005 8:32:04 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (g_r)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
This is an attempt at affirmative action for athiesm and monkey worshippers.

I defy you to produce any evidence showing that the scientifically literate are prone to prostrating themselves before monkeys.

44 posted on 11/02/2005 8:32:06 AM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: highball
Goes to show that boneheaded Supreme Court decisions are nothing new.

See my previous post - it wasn't even a federal case, in which case, who cares?

45 posted on 11/02/2005 8:33:08 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (g_r)
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To: VadeRetro

Never underestimate the tenacity of a terrier.


46 posted on 11/02/2005 8:34:14 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
So you're really trying to pretend that, despite the clear wording of the constitution itself, our body of laws has already established a Christian Theocracy? Despite your being about the only one who seems to know this?

I marvel at the collection of loonies that shows up on these threads, really.

47 posted on 11/02/2005 8:37:15 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: furball4paws
I never negotiate with terrierists.
48 posted on 11/02/2005 8:38:01 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Sorry, didn't read your earlier post. Good catch.


49 posted on 11/02/2005 8:38:10 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: VadeRetro
What is that little thing?

I've got cats three times that size and twice as handsome!

By the way, there are three sizes of dog:

I think yours is on the low end of Yippensnapper.
50 posted on 11/02/2005 8:39:59 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: VadeRetro

Hey, that picture you've posted is nothing but an overgrown rat. But there's something about the medulla (Islamic similarities noted) of a terrier that turns a genteel lap dog into a big toothed terror. And flying monkeys are no match.


51 posted on 11/02/2005 8:41:11 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Coyoteman
That's not really mine. Mine wasn't scary enough.

That one's mine. When he dies, I'll stuff him and mount him on the sofa just like that.

52 posted on 11/02/2005 8:41:58 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

That's more like it!


53 posted on 11/02/2005 8:43:20 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: highball
Of course you would. But that's not what Rightwing Conspiratr1 meant. He wants the Christ's divinity taught as truth instead of as faith.

In 1807, the chairman of the committee on education for the District of Columbia schools decreed that the Christian Bible and Watts Hymnal must be taught in the D.C. public schools. That man was Thomas Jefferson, who was also the President of the United States. The LAW has not changed. FDR's Communists rewrote the LAW in 1947 in a fit of judicial activism.

54 posted on 11/02/2005 8:43:32 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: VadeRetro

How do I post a scanned image?

Anybody


55 posted on 11/02/2005 8:43:36 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
You have to link to somewhere on the web. Most ISP contracts give you a certain amount of server space somewhere and you upload to that.
56 posted on 11/02/2005 8:45:10 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Quark2005; Rightwing Conspiratr1
I defy you to produce any evidence showing that the scientifically literate are prone to prostrating themselves before monkeys.

Good luck - this case has shown us that creationists think nothing of lying to advance their political agenda.

I would like to ask all creationists to decry the tactics used by the school board in this case, or risk confirming that the entire movement is bereft of any integrity whatsoever.

58 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:08 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The 14th amendment did not change the meaning of 1st amendment

The history of the 14th is that immediately after the civil war, some southern states were claiming that rights given in the Constitution did not apply in the states, specifically about blacks. That was a stupid argument, in as much as if those rights didn't apply in the states, then where would they have applied? In the Federal City and territories? Nevertheless the 14th was passed to tell those southern states that when the Constitution gave us a right, it meant it.

The problem is that the First, as you claim, was specifically directed at limiting what the Congress could do. As such, it can be construed not as granting rights (and thus covered under the 14th), but at limiting Congress. Indeed, several states that ratified the First had official religions up till around 1820, thus the wording "Congress shall make no law", because several states already had such laws and intended to keep them.

Perhaps the First should be amended to remove the "Congress shall make no law" clause. Certainly the presstitutes would like such a thing since the First also covers freedom of the press.

But your problem is if the First were interpreted as originally intended, there will be religion taught in schools. And certainly every parent with a student will insist that their religion be taught with the same validity as Christianity. The Muslims in particular, since their demographics are growing, will demand such a thing. I'm sure the Indians in Northern Arizona will insist on teaching their religious stories as hard fact too.

I can think of nothing more damaging to the faith of young people than teaching several diametrically opposed faiths as fact, side by side. I rejected my Christian faith in large part because I realized that there were many different human faiths, and that none of them had any more reason to claim validity than any other.

Perhaps now is a good time for a Coyoteman creation myth.

Be careful of what you wish for. You may get it.

59 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:17 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: VadeRetro

Which one was it?


60 posted on 11/02/2005 8:52:18 AM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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