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To: nickcarraway

I know there are people who will disagree but, at least from what is presented in the story, I see nothing wrong with what these men did. I presume they were football fans but wanted to get in their prayers before the game started.

I know they couldn't get away with this in front of an abortion clinic (sidewalk praying is banned in front of those) but there is nothing that says you can't do that at a football stadium.

I can understand the nervousness of law enforcement but it should have been a quick Q&A and nothing more unless they had probable cause.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 9:57:42 AM PST by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: Tall_Texan

"I see nothing wrong with what these men did."

Neither did the authorities. It was where they were doing it that made them servous.


11 posted on 11/03/2005 9:59:54 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Tall_Texan
I presume they were football fans but wanted to get in their prayers before the game started.

I think these guys were football fans also.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 10:01:17 AM PST by petercooper (The Republican Party: We Suck Less.)
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To: Tall_Texan
Something to keep in mind here is that fans of the New York Giants are a very tight-knit group. Every seat in the stadium (about 80,000 or so) is sold as a season ticket, and if you put your name on the waiting list for season tickets today it would take at least 25 years (yes, that's 25 years) for you to reach the top of the list. So anything out of the ordinary at a Giants game would be treated with a lot of suspicion, especially in the New York area where police and National Guard personnel with M-16s patrol many of our public places on a regular basis.

It should come as no surprise that this occurred at the hastily-scheduled game against the Saints in the aftermath of Katrina, since this was considered a "home game" for the Saints and many of these tickets were sold to outsiders who would never have a chance to buy them otherwise.

There was a similar "civil rights" incident a few years back when someone paid an airplane banner advertising company to fly around over Giants Stadium with some kind of controversial banner (maybe it was for an abortion clinic or something) -- just to make a public statement. The stadium authorities tried to quash the plan on the grounds that the message was somehow "not acceptable" to the fan base, and the group who purchased the ad may have even gone to court and won a case. And yet for some reason the story disappeared from the news and the banner was never flown over the stadium.

15 posted on 11/03/2005 10:09:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Reid and his clowns can pout their cherry lips and put on a big show . . . ain't nobody watchin')
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To: Tall_Texan

"I know there are people who will disagree but, at least from what is presented in the story, I see nothing wrong with what these men did."

I would offer to you that the Security folks and the FBI did nothing wrong either. You ask for probabale cause, the years and years of islamic produced terrorism is that cause indeed.

This was activity that OUTSIDE the norm and it was noticed, reported and investigated. noone was harmed, maimed killed or worngly arrested.

How can you be so sure this was not a test run to see reaction? I offer this very reason is why is was right and proper to question these folks.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 10:14:40 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Tall_Texan

"a second-year law student who was born and raised in Mahwah, N.J."

We are nicer and more accomodating to illegals, here with expired visas, than to our own citizens. Figures.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 10:38:01 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (You can't spell liberal without the letters L- I- E.)
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To: Tall_Texan
They were praying in front of a huge air circulation duct. They are Muslims, Muslims flew planes into the WTC. A large LARGE percentage of the people in this county neither LIKE nor TRUST these people and since the scum bag Muslims wear the same clothes as the allegedly decent ones then they all will have to suffer the ignominy & disdain most Americans feel for them.

Ask yourself this, if you went to one of their countries and decided to pray as a Christian or Jew in public, hoe long do you think your head would stay attached to your shoulders? And spare me the crap about we should be better then they are. I personally would be delighted if I woke up tomorrow morning and found that some strange super virus had wiped out every single Muslim on the planet. Would I be shocked? Of course. Would I be happy? LOL, you can not imagine how happy I would be.
22 posted on 11/03/2005 10:38:08 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Tall_Texan

Foot ball, especially American style is haram for a devout Muslim. They should have been at a mosque or at home, not where the devil could tempt them and they would see western decadence.


31 posted on 11/03/2005 11:11:08 AM PST by RicocheT
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