Pings to this new thread and warm welcome to the family. If I am leaving someone out on these two pings, please let me know.
May God bless you family members for the incredible suffering you endure.
Patient's wishes aren't important anymore, spouse trumps your own decision making if you're disabled.
Ten other family members including four of his five children and his initial treating physician signed sworn statements that Chambers himself indicated he wanted to stay on the ventilator, receive rehabilitative therapy and live. They say he communicated this by nodding his head "yes" and "no" to questions put to him during a Sept. 8 family meeting witnessed by 13 people in his hospital room.
you have to read the whole article...
When the boomers hit the nursing homes in record numbers this story will be common.
The presumption seems to be that the patient will want to die instead of living. This is the result of a cultural shift more than anything else. So when a patient says otherwise, he is seen as being irrational.
Twenty years ago, it would have been just the opposite. It was the patient who wanted to die who was seen as being depressed and suicidal. The presumption was that everybody wanted to live.
Just another by-product of the culture of death. Frankly, at this rate, twenty years from now living wills will be obsolete. Incapacitated patients will just be routinely put down, like horses with broken legs. If you don't want that happening to you, I suggest you make your wishes known to all members of your family and write unequivocal letters to each, stating your desires. If you're really lucky, maybe one of them will do the right thing and respect your wishes.
I am trying to recall the details. Some time weeks earlier we did some looking into the Anne Maria Rehabilitation Center and to their potential role. Such a blizzard of events has unfolded that I have not yet relocated the topic.
Do you have those details?
Scott is fighting for his life and his wife wants him dead and the courts so far may find in her favor.
North Country Gazette reports an update.
Eliza Thomas, 29, a Polish immigrant who married Jacksonville resident Scott Thomas, 34, had sued First Coast News, which comprises Jacksonville television stations WTLV TV and WJXX TV for reports beginning on May 16, 2005, regarding injuries suffered by Scott which resulted in neurological damage.
She says he fell backwards over the family dog in the kitchen of their home on Sept. 5, 2004, striking his head but doctors for the incapacitated man say that his injuries aren't consistent with such a fall. According to his mother, Scott says that his wife struck him in the head, causing serious head trauma.
This sounds like negligence on the nursing home. The do-not-resusitate order doesn't mean they would not reconnect the respirator. My mother passed away recently. She was on a respirator the last 3 months of her life. Several times the respirator became disconnect while she was moving her hands. It was a simple connection. One tube slide into another tube. Alarms go off but the response was usual poor. I would reconnect it. Alarms are going off all time. Infusion pumps failing, respirators, etc. The response is alway poor.
The resolution of the Terri Schiavo case meant "open season" on those who can't fight for themselves.
"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."
If it isn't murder, it is extreme neglect!!
What is very important to understand is that most of these documents are executed by well people, increasingly by well people who are also young (or, they are drafted by healthy young people, which is almost the same thing).
There is little that healthy young people can imagine that is worse than helplessness and disability. For this reason, they (almost) universally voice the notion, "I would rather be dead than live like that".
Of course, the situation of the mortally ill is quite different.
Everyone praises heaven, but no one wants to go there - at least not today.
Therefore, it is common (80+%) for persons who are able to cancel their "advanced directive" when their death is staring them in the face, and to elect aggressive treatment, regardless of the burdens or chance of success.
There are exceptions to this rule, mostly those involving chronic and invariably fatal diseases with a well-defined course.
Of course, the reason that insurance companies and the government have glommed on to living wills has nothing to do with autonomy - they want to kill sick people before they spend any money on them.
It is not unlikely, therefore, that interested third parties - mostly the government, but also greedy relatives and HMOs, will try to create a precedent where "living wills" can be enforced against the wishes of the patient - claiming that illness has rendered them incapable of "true" consent.
What can one say?
BTTT! Be back later.
....what difference is this than if they put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger????
Murder is Murder!