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Science as Kansas sees it
Kansas City Star ^ | 11/6/05 | David Klepper

Posted on 11/06/2005 6:26:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur

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To: mlc9852

"Where are the liberals?"

Look for them masquerading as moderate Republicans in the next school board election.


41 posted on 11/06/2005 8:54:55 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Amish with an attitude

Exactly what I meant.


42 posted on 11/06/2005 8:57:31 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
How many times over the past few months on these threads have you used the term "strawman"? LOL It's getting old.

Straw man: a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted.

I have probably used this term quite a few times lately. It seems particularly appropriate when someone raises (for about the 50th time) a phony objection to evolution. For example, "evolution is just a theory" or "evolution does not explain the origins of life."

Perhaps I should go back to posting some of my creation stories again. I have a pretty good collection of those. What do you think?

43 posted on 11/06/2005 8:59:34 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

Ok - my favorite is the Flying Spaghetti Monster! But I want to see a picture.


44 posted on 11/06/2005 9:12:19 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Coyoteman

Well stated.

This divergence between abiogenesis and evolution seems to be a relatively new idea.


45 posted on 11/06/2005 9:17:11 AM PST by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: mlc9852
Next you'll be charging Freepers for tutoring! LOL

Naw... Smiles

Actually I do tutor. But I do not charge for it. My way of helping the community. :-)

46 posted on 11/06/2005 9:18:51 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: mlc9852
How many times over the past few months on these threads have you used the term "strawman"? LOL It's getting old.

Almost as many times as the evo's call everyone who questions their theory "liars."

47 posted on 11/06/2005 9:18:55 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"Almost as many times as the evo's call everyone who questions their theory "liars."

Speaking of a straw man, please provide an example of someone who was merely questioning the ToE being called a liar.
48 posted on 11/06/2005 9:22:38 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Coyoteman

:-)


49 posted on 11/06/2005 9:23:09 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: RadioAstronomer

Well, I'm sure you've taught many of us on here a lot. Thanks.


50 posted on 11/06/2005 9:39:11 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Awww. :-)

Thanks!


51 posted on 11/06/2005 9:46:26 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"“We want students to understand more about evolution, not less,” said John Calvert, leader of the Intelligent Design Network and one of the driving forces behind the changes."

I hope I didn't just ruin my keyboard by spitting coffee all over it.

52 posted on 11/06/2005 9:51:25 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Coyoteman
What do you think?

Although it irritates the heck out of them, I think ignoring supernaturalists completely works best.

53 posted on 11/06/2005 9:54:38 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: mlc9852
Conservatives and moderates. Where are the liberals?

They're in Massachusetts. This is Kansas.

54 posted on 11/06/2005 9:58:10 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: mlc9852
Ok - my favorite is the Flying Spaghetti Monster! But I want to see a picture.


55 posted on 11/06/2005 10:01:31 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
The Pasta, the Meatballs and the Holy Sauce. Al Dente be His Name!
56 posted on 11/06/2005 10:07:52 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Coyoteman

Wow - he's really ugly! LOL


57 posted on 11/06/2005 10:12:16 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: RadioAstronomer
The theory of gravity will always remain "the theory of gravity" no matter how much evidence is accumulated

<creationist_logic> The "theory of gravity" has not been verified for distances of less than 100 microns, and to make it work over distances of millions of light years scientists invent fanciful notions such as "dark matter". The inverse square nature of gravitational attraction has only been verified for a tiny percentage of known stars and planets in the universe. These gaping holes in gravitational theory show that the premise behind it is wrong. Intelligent pulling is another equally valid premise. Teach the controversy! </creationist_logic>

58 posted on 11/06/2005 10:15:01 AM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: TheGeezer
When advocates of pure TOE can demonstrate repeatedly, under identical conditions, in a variety of locations and times, the competition among complex organic and inorganic compounds leading to viable primitive life, then I will say that TOE absent everthing else is science.

When people who don't know what science is will admit that the TOE absent everything else is science, that will make all the difference. Perhaps you've missed the scientific explanations in places like books, magazines, and monographs, or maybe the billion or so posts to this forum that point out that the origin of life has nothing to do with the origin of species, and that the Theory of Evolution is about the origin of species. However, if you insist that all theories fail because they doesn't address matters outside their own scope, please name a scientific theory that doesn't fail.

Until then, begging to introduce immense spans of time as the deus ex machina of a materialist theory is the same thing as saying "The gods did it!"

As long as you ignore, say, all the evidence.

The inadequacies of TOE as an explanation of origins of life, which seem to be forgotten when it is taught, must be mentioned even as the truths of TOE are explained. Otherwise, education is incomplete and limited by secularist and materialist prejudices and opinion.

Glad to know that your objections to the TOE are entirely scientific, and have nothing whatever to do with your religion. Please go back, aaaaaaall the way to the beginning of this post, to read how the TOE does not address the origins of life.

59 posted on 11/06/2005 10:24:58 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: narby

What he said that he said...


60 posted on 11/06/2005 10:36:01 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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