Incorrect. The IAF did indeed fly their Sukhois against the F-15s, with the ROEs heavily weighted in the Indians favor.
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Posted on 11/07/2005 1:22:08 AM PST by Arjun
Sukhoi to star in US war games
- Top fighter to be deployed for first time after wary IAF shakes off hang-ups SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, Nov. 6: The Indian Air Force will deploy its top-end fighter aircraft, the Sukhoi 30 Mki, for the first time in the Cope India 2005 exercise with the US Air Force.
The exercise, to be based out of Kalaikunda in Bengal, which the Left is protesting against, takes off tomorrow.
The IAF has normally been wary of fielding the Sukhoi 30 Mki for drills with foreign air forces. The Sukhoi 30 Mki is the IAF’s latest custom-made acquisition from Russia and air headquarters has been keen to ensure confidentiality of its radar signatures, avionics and equipment of the multi-role combat aircraft.
The Sukhoi 30 Mki will be among the IAF’s other fighter aircraft to be used for the exercise. Among them are the MiG 29 fighters that are home based in Kalaikunda, the Mirage 2000, the Sukhoi 30K, MiG 21 Bison and MiG 27.
The decision to field the Sukhoi 30 Mki was taken because Cope India 2005 is the largest and most sophisticated of air exercises that the IAF will be participating in with the Americans.
The deployment by the USAF of an E-3 Sentry AWACS (airborne early-warning aircraft) and the possibility that the IAF will participate in the Red Flag exercises — the largest multinational fighter aircraft exercises — in the US next year were motivating factors that have led to the decision to use the Sukhoi 30 Mki.
The USAF has already conveyed to the Indian Air Force that it was keen to host the Sukhoi 30 Mki in the Red Flag exercises.
The USAF’s deployment of a full squadron of 12 F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft and the E-3 from its bases in Misawa and Kadena in Japan easily makes Cope India 2005 the largest and most sophisticated drill between the two air forces.
Actual fighter manoeuvres during the war game beginning Monday will commence on Tuesday and last till November 17.
In the Dissimilar Air Combat Manoeuvring exercise, the complement of aircraft from the US and the IAF will be split in Red and Blue forces. Each force will comprise a mix of IAF and USAF aircraft. The E-3 will be used in turn for the forces and be deployed in both offensive and defensive roles.
The manoeuvres will include air-to-air combat, air-to-ground attack and co-ordination with the USAF’s E-3 Sentry from its 961st Airborne Air Control Squadron. Cope India 2005 is qualitatively different from its previous version, Cope India 2004 held out of Gwalior in February last year. During one drill in the manoeuvres last year, the USAF’s six F-15Cs were pitted against 12 Indian aircraft. But the F-15Cs were not armed with long-range active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radars.
This time, the E-3 Sentry will carry out all-weather surveillance, command, control and communication.
The AWACS is a modified version of the Boeing 707/320 aircraft with a rotor dome mounted on it and has a radar range of more than 320 km. This enables BVR (Beyond Visual Range) warfare and the Sentry can direct fighter-interceptors to low-flying enemy aircraft.
Planning for Cope India 2005 has been carried out for about a year. In September, six IAF personnel visited Misawa in Japan to familiarise with the USAF aircraft that are now in Kalaikunda.
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Ho ho ho... this is rich.
They fly Sukhoi 30Ks under our watchfull radar and we fly F16s. They should be able to best the F16s in any simulated
combat and ought to puff out their chest quite grandly.
In the meantime the E-3 recorders are burining hard drives by
the dozens.
Raptor training...
Previous exercises in India lead to M2000s and old but modernized Mig21Bison to give the F15s trouble. This will be a first for the usage of modern Su27 and 30.
Well they also get what they want. Training to take out the f16s that the mush and his boys will be flying.
Zakly!
Not that they need much of training in that regard. I doubt the Paks would try anything against India, because I seriously doubt the ability of Pakistan to properly maintain and man even F16s for any sustained operational tempo.
With something like a 30 to one kill ratio, the Sukhoi and Mig29s should make short work of Mushi's airforce, which may prompt him to go nuclear.
The MiG's gave the F-15C's no problems, but the Su's were formidable. Then again, the F-15's were outnumbered, in some cases 7-to-1 and were deprived of AWACS assistance.
Not so much training as a justification for the F/A-22 Raptor.
7 to 1 ???!!! Where did you get that?
According to the above articles the USAF were outnumbered 2 to 1 by the IAF. On paper at least. Thats because IAF fielded a lot of ground attack fighters like the Mig 27s and Mig 21Bn. These Mig varients dont do ACM and hence dont count.
Actually the heavyly upgraded Mig21 Bisons were part of the "surprise package" in Cope India 2004. A lot of the USAF aviators were actually surprised by its capabilities.
This time around I dont think the USAF would want to lose. At stake is the big ticket contract of 126 modern fighter jets for the IAF and the F-16s happens to be among the contenders.
Moreover I dont think there is any need for another fiasco for getting the F-22s.
Well last time remember, we did lose, and we were flying F15s, not F16s. They were not the latest and greatest F15s and they were not deploying (simulating) the long range missile systems usually carried on the F15s, but we came out second best anyway.
Surprise = surpised they got off the ground.
Staged for F/A-22 funding.
Not again.
spot on...
Whatever.
Incorrect. The IAF did indeed fly their Sukhois against the F-15s, with the ROEs heavily weighted in the Indians favor.
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http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/exercise-cope-india-vayu.html
There they say in bold that the majority of engagement did not involve Su crafts...
so I guess there were, but they were not the main actors of cope India.
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