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It’s Okay to Tell Lies About Cops
Officer.com ^ | November 4th, 2005 | Tim Dees

Posted on 11/07/2005 11:49:31 AM PST by radar101

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1 posted on 11/07/2005 11:49:32 AM PST by radar101
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To: radar101

I hate to say it, but this is one of the few decisions from the 9th CCA that I happen to agree with.


2 posted on 11/07/2005 11:57:02 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

You think it should be ok to lie?


3 posted on 11/07/2005 11:58:45 AM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: radar101

"An officer that makes a false report of criminal conduct by a citizen is not only going to be prosecuted, but will also lose his job. "


LOL! BS! "Transferred" or "suspended with pay", maybe, but "lose his job"?? Rarely!


4 posted on 11/07/2005 12:00:27 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: HEY4QDEMS

You have go to be kidding. Please explain.


5 posted on 11/07/2005 12:00:36 PM PST by Cathy
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To: Khepera
I think that people should be able to file a complaint against a LEO without fear of being arrested and charged with a crime.

Do you think that Police personnel won't abuse such a law??
6 posted on 11/07/2005 12:01:36 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: Cathy

See post # 6


7 posted on 11/07/2005 12:03:12 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Why? Attacking the character of a cop by lying is clearly more serious than praising him falsely.
8 posted on 11/07/2005 12:08:15 PM PST by ethical
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Oh I see where you're coming from. OK I understand now.


9 posted on 11/07/2005 12:08:38 PM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
The California law made it a criminal offense to give a false statement when making a report of the misconduct of a police officer.
Exactly how would the law have prevented persons from making a legitimate and truthful complaint ?
10 posted on 11/07/2005 12:08:45 PM PST by ComputerGuy (An expert is a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
"..I think that people should be able to file a complaint against a LEO without fear of being arrested and charged with a crime..."

You will perhaps forgive me if this seems like an ad hominem attack, but, following your logic...

exactly why shouldn't my sister's 16 year old daughter be able to file a false claim of rape against you, without fear of it costing her?

We can't have her feeling intimidated by you... can we?

11 posted on 11/07/2005 12:08:52 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Even if the complaint is not true?

I think you are comparing apples and oranges. No one is saying that you can't file a complaint against an officer, you can't file a FALSE complaint and get away with it.


12 posted on 11/07/2005 12:08:53 PM PST by Cathy
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Do you really think people should be able to falsely accuse a police officer of committing a crime? If they do so, they are already committing perjury, since the sworn statements are done so under penalty of perjury.

False claims of police brutality from criminals are at least as common as false claims of torture by terrorists and are done for the same reason. These claims inflame the communities against the police and force the police to defend themselves from these lies rather than protecting the citizenry.

13 posted on 11/07/2005 12:09:21 PM PST by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: radar101

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

If the Ten Commandments were hanging on the wall in the 9th Circus, the panel would not have had so much difficulty understanding the basis for the law in question.


14 posted on 11/07/2005 12:10:06 PM PST by gwb2OO4
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I think that people should be able to file a complaint against a LEO without fear of being arrested and charged with a crime.

That kind of logic makes it OK for someone who doesn't like you to make false claims of pedophilia against you, "just because".

If the cops are bad, hang them. If they aren't, but you just hate that they caught you doing something wrong, and you decide to lie to take the heat off of you and put it on the cops, hang you.

I spent 24 years in the military and would hate to have a cops job, especially with a few giving the rest a black eye and making it OK to trash them all.

15 posted on 11/07/2005 12:10:08 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: RebelBanker

"False claims of police brutality from criminals are at least as common as false claims of torture by terrorists and are done for the same reason. These claims inflame the communities against the police and force the police to defend themselves from these lies rather than protecting the citizenry."


Thank you - you are correct. These tactics are used every day against LEO.


16 posted on 11/07/2005 12:11:05 PM PST by Cathy
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To: radar101

Perhaps beginning with the definition of 'is' and now shaving lie, falsehood, untruth and error, we Americans will speak a bit more carefully. I daily damn SLimbaugh for uttering the 'lie' homeopathy for profit.


17 posted on 11/07/2005 12:11:18 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: ComputerGuy

Occifers are, er, "mistooken" a worrisome proportion of the time, and will scratch one another's backs by whitewashing. 2 occifers lying in synch vs. 1 citizen and the citizen will probably not just lose, but be found criminally liable.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 12:12:08 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: radar101

If the cops cant stand the heat, get a new job.


19 posted on 11/07/2005 12:12:11 PM PST by cynicom
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To: gwb2OO4

It was already illegal to knowingly swear a false charge against anybody. This law simply set an elephant upon one side of the balance. The court demands that there be a similar elephant on the other side, or no go.


20 posted on 11/07/2005 12:14:08 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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