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NEVERMIND FIGHTING A WAR, FRANCE CAN'T EVEN STOP A RIOT
Sierra Times ^ | 11/8/2005 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 11/08/2005 10:14:56 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

Imagine for a moment that the City of New York is engulfed in smoke from thousands of burning cars. Young men are shooting at cops and beating anyone with whom they come into contact. Imagine that for 11 days young immigrants from Arab and North African countries roamed the streets of New York carrying weapons, gasoline bombs and Molotov cocktails defying government officials and police officers who are prevented by a politically-correct orthodoxy from taking any offensive action.

Then imagine that while all of this chaos is going on, night after night after night after night, the President of the United States finally gives his first televised speech after the 10th day of civil unrest, and he tells New Yorkers and Americans that he's considering sending in the military or initiating a curfew; that he's called a meeting of government officials to discuss the options they may employ to quell this riot turned insurrection. He gives a televised well-written speech while marauding youths roam the streets like prowling lions seeking those whom they may devour.

What do you think the mainstream news media would do to the President? Look what they did to Bush after Hurricane Katrina and multiply that by ten. And they would be right to savage him in the pages of our newspapers and news broadcasts. We're talking dereliction of duty here.

Yet, the denizens of our nation's newsrooms appear willing to give France's President Jacque Chirac a pass for just such behavior.

Ten days and then he addresses the people of France? Ten days of violence and destruction and Chirac finally outlines a tepid strategy for putting down an insurrection within his own country?

And the news media give him the largest of passes. Here's a sampling of the headlines to which Americans awoke after the 11th night of the French insurrection:

"Chirac Vows to Restore Order"

"Chirac Breaks His Silence on Riots"

"Chirac Vows Action"

"Chirac Pledges to Restore Order"

"French President Says Restoring Order a Priority"

"Chirac Vows Arrests for Rioters"

That's just a sample of the headlines appearing in newspapers across the US. No accusatory headlines for the French president. No condemnation of France for allowing a dangerous and deadly situation to go relatively unpunished. One suspects that the news media are giving Chirac this pass because: (a) He opposed the Iraq war; (b) He's a big, cuddly socialist; (c) news people -- who are overwhelmingly liberal -- believe all the hype about French sophistication as opposed to the redneck, backwoods mentality that exists in the US.

I recall how radical attorney Ron Kuby even joked about French resolve to fight. When the Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge unveiled his color-coded alert system, Kuby, an avowed Marxist, remarked on WABC radio that France also unveiled their own alert system: Green - Run, Yellow - Hide, Orange - Surrender, and Red - Collaborate. He's not far off from the truth and the current events in France tend to confirm Ron Kuby's characterization of the French.

In 2004, a giant of the broadcast media, Mike Wallace, was celebrating the 60th Anniversary of the World War II Invasion of Normandy by US, British, Canadian and Australian troops. Wallace was observed on camera at a table with several US WW2 veterans discussing the differences between that war and the Iraq war. The pompous newsman ridiculed the US-led coalition as a farce -- a phony coalition when compared with the huge coalition that pushed the Nazi hordes out of France.

Well, it didn't take a lot of research to disprove Wallace's assertion, since most of it is common sense and common knowledge. We were fighting the Germans, Italians and Japanese, so cross them out as part of the WW2 coalition. Poland, Holland, Belgium, and many other Europeans countries were occupied, so except for a few soldiers exiled in London, they weren't part of any WW2 military coalition.

France was not only occupied, but they collaborated so much with their Nazi captors that the Germans were able to have the French police to do their dirty work for them when the French voluntarily took the lead in rousting French Jews and sending them on their way to the Nazi death camps. Chirac once denigrated American foreign policy as being overly simplistic. I guess a sophisticated French foreign policy is rounding up thousands and thousands of Jews for extermination.

So, Mr. Wallace, what nations were in this huge coalition which invaded Normandy on June 6, 1944? The United States and Britain, with assistance from the Aussies and Canadians. Mr. Wallace may be considered a giant in the field of journalism, but a high school dropout with access to the internet is probably more knowledgeable about history.

To be fair, the French army did fight during World War II. They fought US soldiers who were landing in North Africa. But once the Americans returned fire, the French soldiers did what they do best -- surrendered. So is anyone surprised at France's inability to put down an insurrection in its own cities? But cheer up, New York Times, maybe Chirac can figure out a way to blame Bush and America for his own ineptness. The governor of Louisiana and mayor of New Orleans got away with it. Viva Le France!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; french; frogs; insurgency; insurrection; intifada; jihad; muslims; ouihad; parisintifada; parisriots; quagmire; riots; surrender; terrorism; uprising; vivalafrance
...the President of the United States finally gives his first televised speech after the 10th day of civil unrest, and... he's considering sending in the military or initiating a curfew...he's called a meeting of government officials to discuss the options they may employ to quell this riot turned insurrection. He gives a televised well-written speech while marauding youths roam the streets like prowling lions seeking those whom they may devour.

What do you think the mainstream news media would do to the President?

We don't believe they'll do much to Jacques, but to President Bush: Katy bar the door!

1 posted on 11/08/2005 10:14:57 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

2 posted on 11/08/2005 10:18:14 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: FerdieMurphy
But cheer up, New York Times, maybe Chirac can figure out a way to blame Bush and America for his own ineptness. The governor of Louisiana and mayor of New Orleans got away with it. Viva Le France!

I'm sure it's coming!

3 posted on 11/08/2005 10:19:05 AM PST by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

France -- The Soft Underbelly of Europe.


4 posted on 11/08/2005 10:20:27 AM PST by hang 'em (Hey Libs:Iraq isn't Vietnam:Plame isn't Watergate:Bush isn't Nixon:Stuck in 60's=Stuck on STUPID)
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To: FerdieMurphy

The French solution will be to 'give' the rioters jobs, better housing and more welfare. This will be taken from the hide of the productive class. Further hastening the slide to ruin.


5 posted on 11/08/2005 10:22:41 AM PST by Voltage
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To: FerdieMurphy

should it happen here, I would hope we
have the brass to stop it, quickly.

or as I've heard before....
"Nip it in the bud!"


6 posted on 11/08/2005 10:25:05 AM PST by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: FerdieMurphy

When Dinkins was mayor of New York, there were three days of racial riots in Brooklyn. He ordered the police to keep away and avoid provoking the rioters.

To give New Yorkers credit, that was one of the chief reasons why they threw Dinkins out and elected Rudi Giuliani. But it can happen here. It would happen, if the liberals had their way.


7 posted on 11/08/2005 10:27:42 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This makes me think of our former Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau. We had troubles in Quebec back in the early 70s, and even he had enough balls to deal with that. It's pretty bad when a wimp like Trudeau is made to look tough.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 10:28:12 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: nutmeg

read later


9 posted on 11/08/2005 10:29:22 AM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Does anyone think that the rhetoric from NYC mayor Bloomberg would be any better? I believe he once said that there was no reason for anyone to own a gun. Well, here's a reason, not to mention the anarchy that resulted from Katrina.


10 posted on 11/08/2005 10:31:50 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: FerdieMurphy
Meanwhile, the media has failed to cover this story, reported byViking Observer:

"But during all the coverage of the riots, did you ever hear about Jean-Claude Irvoas?"

"The same day that the two youths electrocuted themselves, Mr. Irvoas (51) got out of his car to take a photo. Instead, he was set upon by three arabs and beaten to death while his wife and daughter - both still in the car - could only look on in horror."

"Nobody rioted for him."

11 posted on 11/08/2005 10:43:44 AM PST by Sabatier
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To: FerdieMurphy
So, Mr. Wallace, what nations were in this huge coalition which invaded Normandy on June 6, 1944? The United States and Britain, with assistance from the Aussies and Canadians. Mr. Wallace may be considered a giant in the field of journalism, but a high school dropout with access to the internet is probably more knowledgeable about history.

Bravo!

And yes, it was about 154,000 US, Brits, Canadians, and Aussies who stormed Utah, Sword, Omaha, and Juno beaches. The French participated, but their numbers were very, very small in comparison. Anyone know how many?

12 posted on 11/08/2005 10:45:30 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Cicero

I have not forgotten that the Police Commissioner for Dinkins was none other than Ray Kelly, the current Police Commissioner for Mayor Blooming-idiot.


13 posted on 11/08/2005 10:45:51 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

14 posted on 11/08/2005 10:46:28 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: LurkedLongEnough
An armed crazy person entered City Hall, allowed to go around the metal detector and shot another man to death. The shooter was then shot dead by a security guard inside the room.

Mayor Blooming-idiot equated the two deaths. Saying we lost two men today and why would anyone carry a gun in any circumstance.

Not even praise for the guard who killed the shooter.

City Hall was loaded with young children on a class trip that day.

15 posted on 11/08/2005 10:48:03 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: hang 'em
"France -- The Soft Under Yellowbelly of Europe"
16 posted on 11/08/2005 10:49:00 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: SkyPilot
Three. Yes I am certain that there were three Frenchies, but they stayed way back from the fighting as they were there to take pictures for that pompous ass Charles De Gaulle.

The French had a great time during the German occupation; in fact many cried when the Germans left. Close to 98% collaborated with the German invaders which left only 2% that was generally composed of a few communist illegal aliens that Generalissimo Francisco Franco hadn't been able to shoot.

17 posted on 11/08/2005 10:51:04 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
>FRANCE CAN'T EVEN STOP A RIOT




Don't be hard on them.
The French keep asking themselves,
What Would Jerry Do?!

18 posted on 11/08/2005 11:09:33 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: FerdieMurphy
The problem being illuminated by the glare of thousands of burning cars and government buildings is that French socialists are displaying the same traits that their social democrat brethren show across Europe. They are gutless. Some decades ago there was no class of politician more ferocious than a French socialist confronted by a challenge to his power. France had the largest paramilitary police organization in Europe. Not only did the National Gendarmery have special anti-riot units but the gendarmery in general was trained, in the big industrial towns and large cities, in mob control and anti-riot tactics. If this wasn't enough the 4th Republic created special national anti-riot units called the Republican Security Companies whose sole mission was paramilitary anti-strike and rioit control operations.

In Nov 1947 the French Communist party staged a wave of sitdown strikes and riotous mass demonstrations whose aim was plainly to bring down the center right government. The response of Socialists like Jules Moch was to use the constitution to declare a virtual state of siege. A veritable civil war without an undue amount of shooting ensued. The government mobilized 80,000 army reservists and used the police to storm factories and mines held by sit down strikers. These operations featured mass battles with the communists using tools and materiel such as rails and timbers as expedient weapons as the police in military formations battled their way into one factory and mine head after another. In the streets the police attacked huge communist demonstrations and scores of injuries on both sides were recorded. After over two months the communist party had been beaten and the Fourth Republic survived.

Now a lot of punks setting fires have let to tepid reactions and indecisive and weak gestures by the government. The left has become weak and gutless in Western Europe, unwilling now, even to defend itself against what will be a steadily escalating campaign to grab control of large swaths of urban landscape from the formal government while the perpetrators get government payoffs not to take the streets again and show up the cowardice and clueless weakness of the political leadership.

The French and perhaps other western countries stand onn the verge of recognizing de facto Muslim bantustans in cities and decaying industrial areas nation wide. Eventually from these subsidized no-go zones will come an Islamacist guerrilla army that will seek further destabilization and expansion of their zone of control. Appeasement of rioters is the worse sort of governmental malfeasance as it is a power struggle and the rioters will return to leverage more power from the gutless appeasers.
19 posted on 11/08/2005 11:24:58 AM PST by robowombat
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To: FerdieMurphy

Brooklyn may be lost already, but I will not be kneeling in front of a shaky video cam, waiting to have my head severed.


20 posted on 11/08/2005 11:31:52 AM PST by Solamente
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To: Sabatier
"Nobody rioted for him."

From France-Echos
Nous invitons toute la population à se joindre à nous pour rendre hommage à Jean-Claude Irvoas, dans un moment de recueillement, samedi 5 novembre sur le parvis de l'Hôtel de ville à 11h.
Hervé CHEVREAU
Maire d'Epinay-sur-Seine

Along with a token tee shirt.

May he rest in peace.

21 posted on 11/08/2005 11:41:19 AM PST by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: FerdieMurphy

You know I think that that our crook --read our President-- is too chicken to do anything. He always wants to be PC and it's a shame. I think France could stop riots if the policemen were allowed to shoot back. (they can't). There is also a sort of censorship in the medias. that's really scary.


22 posted on 11/08/2005 11:59:19 AM PST by breizh
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To: breizh

Welcome to FR. Don't be shy about your English. If you can give us insight into what is going on in France, you will be in great demand here. Are you in France at the present time? Have there been any reports of violence tonight in France?


23 posted on 11/08/2005 12:21:08 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Cicero

As a Los Angeles resident, I can affirm it can and has happened here. From what I can see the Rodney King riots were worse, and the LAPD was an ineffectual as the French police. Only when the Nation Guard arrived did things get under control, and it took days too long for that to happen.


24 posted on 11/08/2005 12:31:52 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: FerdieMurphy
Dear France:

You reap what you sow.

No disrespect intended, but when your President said he was considering using the French military to quell the riots, I had to laugh. That must REALLY have the islamofacists shaking in their boots!!

The ONLY thing the French military does well is to surrender!!

Au Revoir......
25 posted on 11/08/2005 1:34:25 PM PST by GeorgeW23225 ("Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal")
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To: BurbankKarl

That is sooooo good!!! ROTFLMAO !!


26 posted on 11/08/2005 1:38:36 PM PST by GeorgeW23225 ("Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal")
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To: breizh

Are you in Brittany?


27 posted on 11/08/2005 2:10:59 PM PST by thulldud (The Democratic military vote is the REAL "Army of One".)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

For sale now on Ebay..

2 Million French WWII rifles.

Perfect condition, never fired, dropped once.


28 posted on 11/08/2005 2:32:37 PM PST by Wil H
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To: FerdieMurphy

All I can say is Thank You God that the French are not a part of our coalition in Iraq.


29 posted on 11/08/2005 2:33:18 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: BurbankKarl
3 great exercises to help you keep you arms up longer

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

30 posted on 11/08/2005 4:05:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: FerdieMurphy

FYI ... L.A. Watts riots lasted 6 days. 34 killed. About the same amount arrested. Most riots last 2 or 3 days, don't they?


31 posted on 11/08/2005 4:09:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: FerdieMurphy
The French couldn't fight the last set of fascists that took over their country. This latest batch is no different.


32 posted on 11/08/2005 4:28:52 PM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: OldFriend

Not true--the Police Comissioner was 'Out of Town' Brown, the city's first black police commissioner...I believe he eventually went to Texas and got a job as the head cop in one of their major cities. He was forced to step down after his failure in Crown Heights and it also came to light that he'd been getting some freebies from a compliant underling at his previous stint at Corrections. Ray Kelly may have come in after he left.


33 posted on 11/08/2005 7:18:21 PM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: FerdieMurphy
France also unveiled their own alert system: Green - Run, Yellow - Hide, Orange - Surrender, and Red - Collaborate.

Man, that's cold. ; )
34 posted on 11/09/2005 2:28:09 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Solamente
Detroit is loaded with muslims. They will combine with the other urban elements and do the same thing as is being done in Paris.

There's not much to burn that's worth anything in metro Detroit.

35 posted on 11/09/2005 6:24:17 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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