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Supreme Court considers police searches
ap on Yahoo ^ | 11/08/05 | Gina Holland - ap

Posted on 11/08/2005 2:14:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court considered whether police may search a home when one resident says to come in but another objects, in an unusually spirited debate Tuesday that drew out even the usually silent Justice Clarence Thomas.

Justices took up a case that arose in a small Georgia town. The wife of a local lawyer invited officers in to search their house after the husband turned them down. The search uncovered evidence of illegal drugs.

The Supreme Court has never said whether the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches covers such a scenario — when one home occupant says enter and another says no.

Thomas, who rarely asks questions during court sessions, spoke several times and hinted that he would back the police.

The case could be so close that it comes down to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who is retiring. If her successor is confirmed before the ruling is announced, her vote will not count.

"Don't we have to look to social understanding and the right to privacy?" O'Connor asked. "The wife says come on in and the husband is right there and says no."

The dispute arose in 2001 when police in Americus, Ga., were called to a domestic dispute at the home of Scott Fitz Randolph and his wife, Janet.

The two were having marital troubles, and she'd recently taken their son to her parents' home in Canada. Scott Randolph's lawyers said the police call came when she returned for a few days to get belongings.

Janet Randolph led officers to evidence later used to charge her husband with cocaine possession. That charge is on hold while the courts resolve whether the search was constitutional. Georgia's Supreme Court was divided in ruling for Scott Randolph.

Americus is a town of about 17,000 near Plains, the hometown of former President Carter. It's about 200 miles from Savannah and Pin Point, where Thomas was raised.

Thomas Goldstein, the lawyer for Scott Randolph, said it would have taken police only five minutes to get a judge's approval over the telephone for a search warrant.

Michael Dreeben, an attorney for the Bush administration, which backs police in the case, said people should be encouraged to cooperate with law enforcement.

Several justices seemed sympathetic to the police, raising concerns that limits on searches would hamper domestic disturbance investigations.

"The two words on my mind are 'spousal abuse,'" Justice Stephen Breyer said.

Chief Justice John Roberts worried that if a home had 10 occupants, all 10 would have to agree before a search.

The court's two women, O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, seemed more inclined to back the rights of homeowners who turn police away.

Eight of the nine justices are married, and several seemed concerned that one spouse could object to a stranger coming into the house and be trumped by the other spouse.

"It seems to me an odd proposition," Justice Antonin Scalia said.

"Can the wife say, `It's OK for you to come in and you can look in my husband's top drawer?'" Justice Anthony M. Kennedy asked the lawyer for Georgia, Paula Smith

Smith responded that the wife may have put socks in the drawer.

The case is Georgia v. Randolph, 04-1067.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: considers; police; searches; supremecourt
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1 posted on 11/08/2005 2:14:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought NO meant NO..isn't that what we've been taught for umpteen years??


2 posted on 11/08/2005 2:16:01 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Michael Dreeben, an attorney for the Bush administration, which backs police in the case, said people should be encouraged to cooperate with law enforcement. " In other words, "We're from the Government and we're just here to help you. Trust us."
3 posted on 11/08/2005 2:19:11 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: NormsRevenge
NOW, FINALLY a case fit for Supreme Court Review.Personally I would say that any NO trumps any yes. However, I can live with what the court says here. IF the police had just cause to search, then they would have had a search warrant.
Interesting to see how this one pans out.
4 posted on 11/08/2005 2:22:37 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Yeah, but don't you know, now days it depends on the meaning of NO.


5 posted on 11/08/2005 2:23:36 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: NormsRevenge
Our system of laws are based on the English common law. Under English common law a man's house is sacred from government search.

KEEP OUT!
6 posted on 11/08/2005 2:24:17 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

if you have nu zing to fear, you vill open zee door and let us search


7 posted on 11/08/2005 2:27:17 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

... a man's house is sacred from government search...
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Fine. Have a meth lab, child abductor, etc. move into your backyard.


8 posted on 11/08/2005 2:28:29 PM PST by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: downtoliberalism
Fine. Have a meth lab, child abductor, etc. move into your backyard.

Amendment IV The US Constitution
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Should be no problem to do it LEGALLY

GE
9 posted on 11/08/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

...Thomas Goldstein, the lawyer for Scott Randolph, said it would have taken police only five minutes to get a judge's approval over the telephone for a search warrant...
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I would say that they did.


10 posted on 11/08/2005 2:38:00 PM PST by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: NormsRevenge
Michael Dreeben, an attorney for the Bush administration, which backs police in the case, said people should be encouraged to cooperate with law enforcement. "Come on in boys, the coke's over there, right next to the pile of pirated DVD's." Yea, that's a good one. Any good defense attorney will tell you to forget your Constitutional rights and cooperate with the law. /s Note that the woman had moved the kid to Canada and was just picking up her things. Technically it might still be her residence, but clearly she was no longer living there. Bottom line for me is, one no and one yes doesn't equal a yes. Police should have gotten a search warrant first.
11 posted on 11/08/2005 2:38:02 PM PST by planekT
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To: NormsRevenge

OK, they can only search HALF the house.


12 posted on 11/08/2005 2:38:25 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: NormsRevenge
Just a general observation. The article breathlessly mentions that Justice Thomas actually asked a couple of questions and seemed (in the mind of the reporterette) to be leaning in favor of the police. She then quotes several of the Justices but doesn't include one from Justice Thomas. The other observation is that, if specific seats on the Court now represent different constituencies, Justice O'Connor is ably representing the clueless.
13 posted on 11/08/2005 2:38:59 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: planekT

"Bottom line for me is, one no and one yes doesn't equal a yes. Police should have gotten a search warrant first."

So, a no and a yes equals a no?


14 posted on 11/08/2005 2:39:48 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: NormsRevenge
Still stomping on the Constitution I see. I hope these bastards are watching their backs. They will rue the day.


15 posted on 11/08/2005 2:40:34 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Supreme Court of Georgia - Case below (short)
http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/decisions/lower_court/s04g0674.pdf

One "no" trumps consent. The Georgia Supreme Court opinion has a dissenting opinion of three Justices who say that one "yes" constitutes permission.

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/05-06/04-1067Pet.pdf
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/05-06/04-1067Resp.pdf
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/05-06/04-1067PetReply.pdf

Links directly above are the briefs.

16 posted on 11/08/2005 2:40:57 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: NormsRevenge

Seems clear enough: Only the effects of those who consent to the search should be searchable, and anything found that relates to a party who did not consent would not be legally actionable.


17 posted on 11/08/2005 2:42:01 PM PST by sourcery (Either the Constitution trumps stare decisis, or else the Constitution is a dead letter.)
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To: downtoliberalism
said it would have taken police only five minutes to get a judge's approval over the telephone for a search warrant.

Doesn't sound like it to me.

In rereading the amendment it didn't say "unless the officer believes a search warrant would be issued."
18 posted on 11/08/2005 2:42:17 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Cboldt

Thanks for the links.


19 posted on 11/08/2005 2:43:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: L98Fiero
A NO and a Yes, and a YES and a YES and a YES ....
STILL = NO!
IMHO
20 posted on 11/08/2005 2:43:48 PM PST by GrandEagle
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