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So, we got thwacked. Let's just be honest about it. Now what?

Posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:09 PM PST by zbigreddogz

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To: zbigreddogz
Dem's maintain status quo, everyone panic!!

The MSM (which hates Bush and makes up the news to suit their agenda) puts out more skewed poll results "Bush approval rating falling off the charts" everyone PANIC!!!

Dem's win in New Jersey, Hell has officially frozen over!!!

Conservatism is over, the country takes drastic turn to the left!!! PANIC!! Ahhhhh!!! lol
181 posted on 11/09/2005 8:51:44 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: JCEccles

A. You are simply wrong about Virginia. Kilgore lead throught the entire summer. We were not suppose to lose that. It was a tossup at worst, and a state we should have won at best.

B. You don't call 53%-43% in NJ a blowout? Forrester getting 4% less then Bush did in 2004? Especially with all the ethical clouds that haunted the D's? I'd sure like to know your definition of what a blowout is if that isn't a blowout.

It might not be a huge landslide, but it's certainly a very convincing win.

Apparently, Denial is just a river in Egypt to most freepers.


182 posted on 11/09/2005 8:51:50 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: TheForceOfOne

I didn't say panic, for the 19,000 time!

I said we need to think about this and do some serious reflection. If you think we had a good night, your dreaming.


183 posted on 11/09/2005 8:52:45 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
VA and NJ would have been surprises if we had won. The common sense CA initiatives failing shows that that state is out of control.

However, I do not believe national Republicans have been conservative enough and are hurting our party in '08
184 posted on 11/09/2005 8:56:43 PM PST by Vision ("When you trust in yourself, you're trusting in the same wisdom that created you")
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To: zbigreddogz
Corzine is the most popular elected official in NJ.

Kilgore blew the lead with the debates after Labor day. Still, we elected an Lt. Governor and a Attorney General, holding 2 of 3 top positions when we just had one before the election.

185 posted on 11/09/2005 8:58:59 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Terpfen

The reason '86 IS relevant is that it was the mid-term election of Reagan's second term. '06 will be the mid-term election of Bush's second term. At that point in any Administration, the ever-fickle public looks elsewhere unless things are going their way. A lot of things today are not going the way an awful lot of people want. Bush and the GOP have a year to get their act together. They could start by showing the public their successes, the value of our troops' being in Iraq. They have to start tooting their own horn, cause they sure as hell aren't gonna get any help from the MSM.


186 posted on 11/10/2005 6:13:37 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: LdSentinal
Kilgore blew the lead with the debates after Labor day.

The more he appeared in public, the worse it got for him.

I have met Kilgore, and I must say, his manner of speaking evokes......well.....he seemed a bit....effeminate to me. I know that he is a married man with kids, not a chance this guy is homosexual, he just has this strange way of speaking. His southwest Virginia accent must seem strange to the great majority of Virginians also.

Kilgore's attack ads also turned off a number of friends of mine who I know to be conservative Republicans. Republicans should learn from this one that we lose when we get down in the gutter with the dems. We have won many times without attacking the other side in a personal way, it's just something that the dems can do and get away with, and we can't.

Kaine ran as Warner II, and Warner actually governed quite conservatively. If we can take any solace from this defeat, it should be that we have brought the Virginia version of the Democratic party more toward the middle of the road.

187 posted on 11/10/2005 6:53:57 AM PST by wayoverontheright (.)
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To: zbigreddogz

I'm not sure we got whacked in 05. It looks like we're going to succeed in nominating two conservative justices to the SC. To me.... that's a lot more important than who the governor of New Jersey is. :)


188 posted on 11/10/2005 6:56:07 AM PST by kjam22
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To: zbigreddogz

That's all local stuff my friend. And Hackett had to run as a conservative to even get close to Schmidt, not the left wing jerk he is. Additionally, Jean Schmidt had offended a lot of people and was not a popular personality. The point is, these state and local races turn on local issues, local events and the personalities and campaign successes or failures of the candidates much more than anything that's going on at the national level. Sure you have some of the usual mental case suspects who will turn out to vote against anything Republican because they're consummed with their deranged Bush hate, but it's not as if those people would vote Republican anyway.


189 posted on 11/10/2005 8:41:34 AM PST by MikeA
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To: zbigreddogz
Your willing to sacrifice property rights to get rid of a monorail?

OOKKKKK. If you say so.

I'd answer you, had you not been a sarcastic jerk about it.

190 posted on 11/10/2005 9:16:10 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: EDINVA

Of course there's work to be done. This is different from writing off 2006 entirely, which is what some people here seem to be doing.


191 posted on 11/10/2005 10:02:59 AM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: zbigreddogz

When you have a choice between Dim and Dim light, Dim is going to win every time.

The choice is to put in a STRONG Conservative candidate and make the Dims look as foolish and communistic as they are.

Anything else will result in a loss for the GOP.


192 posted on 11/10/2005 10:06:19 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Psycho_Bunny

How is that being a sarcastic jerk?

If you don't think the resturant smoking ban is a violation of property rights...I don't know what to tell you.


193 posted on 11/10/2005 4:19:06 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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