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So, we got thwacked. Let's just be honest about it. Now what?

Posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:09 PM PST by zbigreddogz

Let's just be honest about it: 2005 was a disaster for Republicans and conservatives.

No, we never really had a chance in Jersey, even though it looked like it, but we got beaten even worse then we should have.

Kilgore blew the Virginia race. Yes, Warner's popularity was big, and yes, it's an off year election, and no, Bush isn't at the height of his popularity, but this race was mainly Kilgore's fault. Why did this happen though? What made him think he could run Hitler ads and piss off the NRA and get away with it?

California was almost a complete disaster. We lost every initiative. Sure, we made the Unions blow their wad to beat it, but they got what they paied for.

Washington State was a disaster too. I-912, repealing the outrageously expensive gas tax hike to fund undefined, unaccountable transportation projects appears to have lost, and King County Executive Ron Sims, who essentially fixed the last Governor's race for Christine Gregoire (D), was re-elected as well.

Sure, there were bright spots. Bloomberg coasted to re-election (yes, I know he's a RINO on a lot of issues, but he's still FAR better then NY D's.), we won the Mayor's race in San Diego, which isn't a small matter, and the Manchester, NH mayor's race is very interesting too, seeming as how Kerry, Biden and such campaigned for the D.

But all said and done, it seems to me that this was a much worse year for us then 2001. This is like 2003 was for the Dems. Sure, they got a few neat things (Lousiana Governor's mansion, although I think they regret that now, and Philadelphia Mayor's race), but overall, it was a good year for us going into a very important year. It seems to me, we need to think of the implications of this year, and figure out what do to from here.

I don't think I'm being overly pessimistic, I'm not. I don't think the Dems are going to get either house back next year, but to make sure they don't, I think we need to reflect a little. These aren't simple 'Drive the RINO's out!' questions, or 'Run more moderates' or any such BS. Top down, what do we need to do differently?


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
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Any thoughts on this?
1 posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:10 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

It was a wash. Otherwise, BS.


2 posted on 11/09/2005 4:51:03 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: zbigreddogz
Any thoughts on this?

Yes. You're wrong. There's no "thwacking" involved when the incumbent party holds on to its seats.
3 posted on 11/09/2005 4:51:18 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: zbigreddogz


Sinmple solution.

VOTE.

The democrats did.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:02 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: zbigreddogz
Any thoughts on this?

Yeah, you're full of it. Try listening to Rush once and while.

5 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:09 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: Terpfen

As I pointed out, it wasn't just the NJ and VA Governor's races. The ballot initiatives in Washington State and California were important too, and those went poorly. If you don't think that had anything to do with the mood of the country, I think you are being naive, especially considering NJ and VA.


6 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:31 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

How is status quo a thwacking? You've been watching CNN again, haven't you?


7 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:40 PM PST by Principled
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We didn't get "twacked." The status quo is hardly a bloodbath.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:56 PM PST by The Phantom FReeper (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: COEXERJ145

I said real arguements.

'You're full of it' isn't a real argement.


9 posted on 11/09/2005 4:53:12 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

So, let me get this right.

GOP ballot initiatives in heavily-liberal states were defeated, and because of this, we're supposed to be in a panic.

Right.


10 posted on 11/09/2005 4:53:31 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: zbigreddogz

There was a HUGE victory in Ohio....


11 posted on 11/09/2005 4:54:19 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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There was a HUGE victory in Ohio....

Stolen by Diebold. /DU Mode

12 posted on 11/09/2005 4:54:57 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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To: zbigreddogz

And several liberal-backed initiatives designed to make vote fraud easier were trounced in Ohio, a veritable battleground state. Again, hardly a bloodbath.


13 posted on 11/09/2005 4:55:11 PM PST by The Phantom FReeper (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: zbigreddogz
Any thoughts on this?

Yes. Vanities are getting way out of hand.

14 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:21 PM PST by Wolfstar (Whatever happened to "These Colors Don't Run?")
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To: zbigreddogz
1. Push the GOP to stop spending like drunken sailors.

2. Bring back Ari Fleisher.

3. Unleash Cheney on the Dems.

4. Have Bluto speeches at every local Republican club before the 2006 midterms: "REID, he's a DEAD MAN, KENNEDY, DEAD! PELOSI, DEAD!

15 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:24 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: zbigreddogz
I think you may be over reacting. Consider:

New Jersey - Democrat state, Democrat Governor, we were outspent by millions and we lost. No big surprise there.

Virginia - A democrat governor and we loss to a democrat. OK, Virginia is a red state, but I am not convinced that this is an omen for 2006.

California.... Washington? Two of the top five Blue states.

Let's not read too much into this recent low turnout election. 2008 is a long ways off.

16 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:25 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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To: zbigreddogz
I said real arguements.

You assert the right got thwacked. Fine. What arguments can you provide that buttress your position?

17 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:40 PM PST by Principled
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To: zbigreddogz

Democrats didn't gain any ground, and Republicans sat on their thumbs. I quite frankly don't get what Howard Dean is all excited about. It's no different now than it was 2 years ago.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:46 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: zbigreddogz
You expected to win in liberal states? Pfffft!

Soros lost bigtime in Ohio. And Silvers legislature power grab in NY went down in flames. There WERE no big losses for Repubs.

Turn off your TV and quit reading the paper. You're too easily influenced by the spin.

19 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:56 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

OHIO ISSUE #2 Vote By Mail
11081 precincts of 11559 reporting
NO 1,738,353 63% (W)
YES 999,572 37%
OHIO ISSUE #3 Campaign Contrib Limits
11119 precincts of 11559 reporting
NO 1,815,804 67% (W)
YES 886,782 33%
OHIO ISSUE #4 Redistricting
11119 precincts of 11559 reporting
NO 1,898,781 70% (W)
YES 813,636 30%
OHIO ISSUE #5 Election Board
11119 precincts of 11559 reporting
NO 1,896,196 70% (W)
YES 795,487 30%


20 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:58 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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