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1 posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:10 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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It was a wash. Otherwise, BS.


2 posted on 11/09/2005 4:51:03 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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Any thoughts on this?

Yes. You're wrong. There's no "thwacking" involved when the incumbent party holds on to its seats.
3 posted on 11/09/2005 4:51:18 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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Sinmple solution.

VOTE.

The democrats did.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:02 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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Any thoughts on this?

Yeah, you're full of it. Try listening to Rush once and while.

5 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:09 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (http://www.navyfield.com)
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How is status quo a thwacking? You've been watching CNN again, haven't you?


7 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:40 PM PST by Principled
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We didn't get "twacked." The status quo is hardly a bloodbath.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:56 PM PST by The Phantom FReeper (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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There was a HUGE victory in Ohio....


11 posted on 11/09/2005 4:54:19 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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Any thoughts on this?

Yes. Vanities are getting way out of hand.

14 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:21 PM PST by Wolfstar (Whatever happened to "These Colors Don't Run?")
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1. Push the GOP to stop spending like drunken sailors.

2. Bring back Ari Fleisher.

3. Unleash Cheney on the Dems.

4. Have Bluto speeches at every local Republican club before the 2006 midterms: "REID, he's a DEAD MAN, KENNEDY, DEAD! PELOSI, DEAD!

15 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:24 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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I think you may be over reacting. Consider:

New Jersey - Democrat state, Democrat Governor, we were outspent by millions and we lost. No big surprise there.

Virginia - A democrat governor and we loss to a democrat. OK, Virginia is a red state, but I am not convinced that this is an omen for 2006.

California.... Washington? Two of the top five Blue states.

Let's not read too much into this recent low turnout election. 2008 is a long ways off.

16 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:25 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy Sheehan")
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Democrats didn't gain any ground, and Republicans sat on their thumbs. I quite frankly don't get what Howard Dean is all excited about. It's no different now than it was 2 years ago.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 4:56:46 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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I would not count the NJ race. The people here are not going to vote republican unless that person really comes off as a moderate. Forrester did to some degree but IMHO he doesn't have the "gravitas" to overcome a republican stigma in this god forsaken state.

Of course... in my county it was all republican wins... we even voted for Forrester.

Irregardless I would not call this a Democratic win by a long shot. However... I do agree we cannot sit around and expect good things to happen next year without some work involved.


23 posted on 11/09/2005 4:57:54 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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Well, at least we now get independent performance audits in Washington State. The problem remains, however, that the Dems get to vote how much funding the office gets. The auditor's office can't be that effective if the Dems give him/her a dollar if you know what I mean.


24 posted on 11/09/2005 4:58:08 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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There was no national effort by the GOP, nor federal offices involved in this campaign. These were individual state races with little or no involvement from the White House. These races turned on local realities, not the national political mood. To claim based on 3 losses that the GOP nationally is in trouble is extrapolating WAY TOO MUCH into what were basically local elections.


27 posted on 11/09/2005 4:59:21 PM PST by MikeA
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Winner: Status Quo. Blue states stayed Blue (VA elects Dem govs on as much as GOP ones - they can only serve four years) and Red states stayed Red.

Both in races and initiatives. There was no movement either way.

This means absolutely nothing in regards to 2006. The 2006 Senate races are likely going to stay with each party and the House districts are drawn to protect incumbents and only about 20 seats out of 453 are even a contest.

Message to the GOP: stop running away from conservative issues, get off defense (geez, they are huff-puffing Dems; just ignore them), and stop pissing off the base.

To President Bush: GET TO WORK! Stop acting like you really didn't care to win a second term and FIGHT the Dems HARD! Close the borders and 2006 is another GOP coup!!!

But he won't fight. He won't push the Dems. He wants to "get along" and write his legacy.


28 posted on 11/09/2005 5:00:50 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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Any thoughts on this?

IB4TZ
31 posted on 11/09/2005 5:01:40 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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I like the fact that in CA, unions spent over $100 million (some borrowed) to maintain the status quo. Ouch...


35 posted on 11/09/2005 5:03:17 PM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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The Republican party should recast itself (or some would say return itself) to the party of competence.

People generally are very fearful of ideologues of whatever stripe. I believe that Bush, by correctly labeling Al Qaeda as lunatic ideologues, has unfortunately given creedence to the idea that all ideologies are suspect.

By going back to the fundamentals of lower taxes, lower government spending, less bureaucracy, etc. we might be able to regain some momentum.

Of course this would require some major shake-ups. A party of competence has to be a party without graft and corruption. Anyone that is seen as being corrupt needs to be pushed to the side. Republicans need to hold themselves to a higher mark. Even if certain campaign tricks are legal, they shouldn't all be used.

Arnold really hurt himself by continuing to receive money from magazine endorsements that appeared to be a conflict of interest. He didn't break any laws, but I believe it did help to tank his initiatives.

Politicians get all sorts of perks such as being able to hobnob with other famous people, jetting around the world on fact-finding missions, bedding hot interns, etc. They should sacrifice some things in order to maintain those perks.

We should also be the party (ala Calvin Coolidge) of politicians who voluntarily step aside. The words of the day should be "Move up or move out." If you are a House Rep and can't make it to the Senate after four terms, then you should move out of the way for someone else. Likewise, if you are in the Senate for 12 or so years and can't get a job as a governor or president, you should step aside and let someone else get the job done.

If Republicans can once again be seen as competent civil servants rather than hucksters and ideologues, then we can use our "better business practices" approach to eliminate a lot of the crap that has been foisted upon us in the past few decades.

How about this for a tax reform idea: A law that simply states that the total number of words in the tax code will be reduced by 10% each year. If in any year the number of words is not reduced by that amount or more, then the salaries of all elected officials will be reduced by 10%.

No ideology, no axe to grind, just a simple rule to force the necessary compromises to get a handle on at least one mess created in the past.

37 posted on 11/09/2005 5:03:42 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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One thing we could do, but it won't happen, is unite, not divide.


39 posted on 11/09/2005 5:04:33 PM PST by ladyinred ("Progressive" = code word for Communist/Nazi)
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Top down, what do we need to do differently?

Define "Republican". Tell me, what are the core principles, the immutable philosophy, the non-negotiable stands the party takes?

Then we can talk.

40 posted on 11/09/2005 5:04:34 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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