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Mark Steyn: It’s the demography, stupid
The Spectator (U.K.) ^
| 11/12/05
| Mark Steyn
Posted on 11/10/2005 6:06:25 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: Rummyfan
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:27:31 AM PST
by
dennisw
(You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
To: Pokey78
But the point is that, while one can draft all sorts of hypothetical apocalyptic scenarios for the Great Satan, the European catastrophe isnt hypothetical, but already under way. Brilliance on display.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:28:25 AM PST
by
TexasNative2000
(When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.)
To: hang 'em
"Let them eat cake" -Madame de VillepinMake them drink Molotov cocktails -Dennisw
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:28:52 AM PST
by
dennisw
(You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
To: Rummyfan
It is the best Steyn has yet produced. This guy has a better grasp on this than any politician, commentator, or poet . . . .
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:30:20 AM PST
by
TexasNative2000
(When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.)
To: Pokey78
And when it comes to those living in France aged 20 and under, about 30 per cent are said to be Muslim and in the major urban centres about 45 per cent. Yikes!
To: Pokey78
What happened in the 1990s was what Yamada Masahiro of Tokyos Gakugei University calls the first low birth-rate recession. Its not the economy, stupid. Its the stupidity, economists the stupidity of thinking you can buck demography. Japan might go through a long period of relative slowdown. But it will survive as an intact nations. So Japanese will do fine and much better that Lebanon or EUrabia.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:30:57 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
To: A. Pole
Japan might go through a long period of relative slowdown. But it will survive as an intact nation.That's a possibility ... but if the population, and especially the fighting-age population, gets small enough, the Japanese islands are going to look good to some expansionist power.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:32:54 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
(I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
To: Tax-chick
and especially the fighting-age population, gets small enough, the Japanese islands are going to look good to some expansionist power. Not really. Japan is overcrowded (and most of her small land is not usable). Even with the 50% of present population Japan will have shortage of space.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:35:29 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
To: Pokey78
American firearms owners have a popular slogan: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Likewise, if you marginalise religion, only the marginalised will have religion. Thats why Frances impoverished Muslim ghettos display more cultural confidence than the wealthiest enclaves of the capital. I can think of no higher compiment to pay to a political writer than "this reminds me of Steyn." But the above is Steyn out-Steyning Steyn, if you follow my meaning.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:37:12 AM PST
by
Snake65
(Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
To: Pokey78
As others have stated: An especially brilliant Steyn essay.
To: Pokey78
Great Post Thanks.
Steyn is the Greatest and right on target.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:41:57 AM PST
by
chatham
To: Pokey78
I look on religion like gun ownership.
Thats to say, New Hampshire has a high rate of firearms possession, which is why it has a low crime rate.
You dont have to own a gun and there are sissy Dartmouth College arms-are-for-hugging types who dont.
But they benefit from the fact that their crazy stump-toothed knuckle-dragging neighbours do.
If you want to burgle a home in the Granite State, youd have to be awfully certain it was the one-in-a-hundred we-are-the-world pantywaists pad and not some plaid-clad gun nut wholl blow your head off before you lay a hand on his $70 TV. Thats the way it is with religion.
Oh, man Steyne kills me - could you imagine him on the same stage as Ann Coulter - together they would be "wet-my-pants" hillarious.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:42:22 AM PST
by
Psalm 73
("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
To: Pokey78
Now go back to that bland statistic you hear a lot these days: about 10 per cent of Frances population is Muslim. Give or take a million here, a million there, thats broadly correct, as far as it goes. But the population spread isnt even. And when it comes to those living in France aged 20 and under, about 30 per cent are said to be Muslim and in the major urban centres about 45 per cent. If it came down to street-by-street fighting, as Michel Gurfinkiel, the editor of Valeurs Actuelles, points out, the combatant ratio in any ethnic war may thus be one to one already, right now, in 2005.
Like the Fram oil filter guy says:
You can pay me now or pay me later!
To: MadIvan
Close the Chunnel and remove landing rights for Pakistan Airlines.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:43:01 AM PST
by
expatpat
To: Pokey78
To: A. Pole
But it will survive as an intact nations. So Japanese will do fine and much better that Lebanon or EUrabia.As long as Japan does not allow massive Muslim immigration to make up for their birth dearth, they will survive. I don't think that Japan will be as foolish as Europe in this regard either. Everything I've read about the topic says that Japanese society is rather xenophobic and reluctant to admit immigrants, even from places like Korea or Vietnam.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:43:47 AM PST
by
sassbox
(GO IRISH!!!)
To: Rummyfan
Muslim terrorists are like the boogeyman under the bed. If you pretend he's not there, you won't have to gird your loins and protect life and limb. They're terrified of inciting events like Amman, Jordan or the London tube bombing. The real question is what will it take for France to face the fact that putting off the day of reckoning gives Muslim terrorists the upper hand? They feed the tiger bit by bit, until there's nothing left, and the tiger eats them alive.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:45:20 AM PST
by
hershey
To: A. Pole
Japan, iirc, has an inefficient and highly-subsidized agricultural sector. They have land; it's just not going to the highest value use, as determined by the free market.
However, putting that aside, even if the hypothetical 50% of the population (practically all elderly) is still more crowded than I'd find comfortable, that's not going to defend them against an invader.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:48:16 AM PST
by
Tax-chick
(I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
To: Snake65; Pokey78
American firearms owners have a popular slogan: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Likewise, if you marginalise religion, only the marginalised will have religion. Thats why Frances impoverished Muslim ghettos display more cultural confidence than the wealthiest enclaves of the capital.One of his best nuggets so far. Steyn ROCKS!
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:51:04 AM PST
by
SquirrelKing
(I'm not mean, you're just a sissy.)
To: Tax-chick
Japan, iirc, has an inefficient and highly-subsidized agricultural sector. It is VERY SMART of them. Otherwise their survival would be at risk in case of some conflict or disruption of imports.
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posted on
11/10/2005 6:53:18 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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