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Posted on 11/10/2005 6:23:12 PM PST by lightman
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.
All eight Dover, Pa., school board members up for re-election were defeated Tuesday after trying to introduce "intelligent design" - the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power - as an alternative to the theory of evolution.
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club."
Eight families had sued the district, claiming the policy violates the constitutional separation of church and state. The federal trial concluded days before Tuesday's election, but no ruling has been issued.
Later Thursday, Robertson issued a statement saying he was simply trying to point out that "our spiritual actions have consequences."
"God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help them."
Robertson made headlines this summer when he called on his daily show for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
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"Just proves that Intelligent Design has nothing to do with science, but with feelings"
And I guess you believe the ID/Evo debate is best decided by a popular vote?
Keep reading.
Really, and the Bible says this about the latter days and its a pretty apt description of what is happening in America today:
II Timothy 3:1-9
You must understand this, that in the last days distressing times will come. 2For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid them! 6For among them are those who make their way into households and captivate silly women, overwhelmed by their sins and swayed by all kinds of desires, 7who are always being instructed and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these people, of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith, also oppose the truth. 9But they will not make much progress, because, as in the case of those two men, their folly will become plain to everyone.
He needs to start smoking and going to Hardees.
Where does spiritual security end and spiritual pride and arrogance begin?
Yes, there are consequences to bad choices. God doesn't just give out candy. He applies the rod too.
I met Pat Robertson in NH in 1988 when he was running for president. I think I even voted for him in the Primary.
The building where I met him was the very hotel where Nathaniel Hawthorne died. It has since been torn down.
"And I guess you believe the ID/Evo debate is best decided by a popular vote?"
Since American public schools are publicly funded and run by the community/city/state/government, they have elections, board votes, and other democratic things.
In a perfect world, even absolute majority has no effect on science.
Sorry. There's no discernable evidence that that happens at all in the present living universe. That's simple, obvious reality to any unbiased observer. We don't live in the Old Testament.
can you direct me to the story about 2 of them being purjurers? Were they convicted or what?
You sound like an atheist. It's up to you. But don't forget eternity.
Yeah, but the New Testament also says this:
Romans 2:5-13
5But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6For he will repay according to each one’s deeds: 7to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be anguish and distress for everyone who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11For God shows no partiality. 12All who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Paul has some tough words, doesn't he? Reading them helps me stay on the straight and narrow.
Any sort of judgment in the afterlife is an entirely different issue and, of course, unprovable either way.
You know, there are babies born with cancer that die painful deaths when they're very young.
Richard Speck, who killed a houseful of nurses, lived to a ripe old age in prison enjoying himself having sex and doing drugs.
There's no discernable pattern of towns in the US that are more sinful than other towns being more prone to disasters. Nothing has happened to Las Vegas, ever, and every year whitebread God-fearing boring little towns in the Midwest get vaporized by a tornado, for example.
It's people like yourself and Pat Robertson willfully deluding yourself, and with a nonsensical conception of reality, that drive people away from religion.
And sometimes even "absolute truth" has no effect on science.
Look at how many people have been ostracized in their time for a finding that went against the misguided science of their day. And then later it was been found that they were right and the scientific community, of their time of course, were wrong.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Toward the end of last week, board member Alan Bonsell was questioned severely by the Judge Miller in this bench trial for major discrepencies between his deposition and his courtroom testimony. Former board member Bill Buckingham had similar inconsistencies.
No one has been indicted, yet, but I will not be surprised if that occurs after the trial is completed.
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