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Indians breaking class barriers in UK
The Times of India ^ | Monday, November 14, 2005 09:07:16 pm | The Times of India

Posted on 11/14/2005 7:52:27 AM PST by CarrotAndStick

LONDON: Second-generation Indian immigrants are breaking their adopted country's class barriers with consistent ease and steaming ahead of much of white, black and brown Britain, new research has found.

The research, which tracked 140,000 children born in England and Wales over a 30-year period, found that a massive 56 per cent second-generation Indians sailed over class barriers and went into professional or managerial posts, compared with just per cent of white children.

In a further breakdown of what it called the "Indian success story", the study added that Being Hindu or Jewish enhanced the probability of a professional/managerial class outcome, other things being equal, while being Muslim, Sikh or from a religious group other than the main religions made such a destination less likely".

However, the study admitted that today's immigrant successes could not discount the reality and dreadful toll of the so-called "ethnic penalty" levied on newer, foreign-origin claimants for jobs and positions.

The research said two-thirds of British Pakistani and Bangladeshi children remained static and at the same working class levels of their parents, thus languishing at the bottom of the UK's social and economic mobility ladder.

The study, commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and conducted by Essex University sociologist Dr Lucinda Platt, is considered one of the most comprehensive attempts to track ethnic minority "life chances" in the world of Western opportunity. Platt concluded that the differing levels of South Asian success makes for caution "in what we claim for 'ethnicity' and what we attribute to it".

Platt said it was indisputable that British Indians were taking full advantage of the fact that an expansion in professional and managerial occupations over the past 30 years had created more "room at the top". But she cautioned that the "welcome progress" of Indians and Afro-Caribbeans was "no cause for complacency (because) Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class plays no part in determining children's chances of well-paid careers".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; capitalism; china; india; israel; jews; moolah; socialism; success; workethic
Most, if not all, of Britain's Pakistani- and Bangladeshi-origin citizens are Muslim. On the other hand, Muslims from Indian origin often do well in Britain.
1 posted on 11/14/2005 7:52:28 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
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To: CarrotAndStick

The work ethic is alive and well............


2 posted on 11/14/2005 7:58:32 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: CarrotAndStick
This story is still in draft, so the link may not work now and then.

I have another source:

Minorities break 'class barrier'


Young people from working class ethnic minorities tend to out-perform their white counterparts, says a report.
Research into 140,000 children over 30 years found immigrant families breaking through class barriers, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation said.

Half of children from Indian working class families went into professional or managerial posts, compared with 43% of white children, it found.

But Pakistani and Bangladeshi children did worse than some white children.

Some 45% of those from Caribbean backgrounds also obtained professional or managerial posts, the study found.

The study into the success of ethnic minority children, many the sons and daughters of immigrants or born overseas themselves, looked at their lives over three decades, with the help of official statistics.

It suggested parents encouraging their children to get educated was one of the factors playing a key role in their success.

Academics at the University of Essex used national statistics to track what happened to 140,000 people born in England and Wales since the 1960s.

The study found proportionally more ethnic minority children appeared able to do better than their parents.

The report attributed this to their parents encouraging them to stick at education.

'Under-performance'

However, those from Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities were found to under-perform compared with white children from working class families.

"The Pakistanis [tracked in the figures] were less likely to end up in professional/managerial families even when taking their backgrounds and their own educational level into account," said the report.

While there appeared to be clear educational and social reasons for the poor performance of some Bangladeshi children, said the report, it was harder to explain the lack of social mobility in Pakistani children.

The report suggested two factors played a key role in explaining success.

Firstly, children of working class immigrants tended to be motivated by their parents, a phenomenon reported in other studies.

While some immigrants initially do economically worse on arrival in a country, because only the poorest paid jobs are available, many of those who stay see their children do a lot better because of encouragement to work hard at school.

Secondly, the report suggested the upward mobility had been helped by the expansion of Britain's service industry at the expense of manual jobs - meaning there was "more room at the top" for those who aspired to reach it.

Lucinda Platt, of Essex University, the report's author, found Jews and Hindus had more chance of upward mobility than Christians.

In contrast, Muslims and Sikhs had less chance of breaking through class barriers. Children born into professional and managerial families, regardless of their ethnicity, were less likely to find themselves in less qualified work than their parents.

"Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class no longer plays a part in determining children's chances of well-paid careers," said Dr Platt.

"There is good news to the extent that a disproportionate number of the young people who are upwardly mobile are the children of parents who came to this country as migrants.

"But their welcome progress is no cause for complacency, especially when it appears to be so much harder for young people from Pakistani or Bangladeshi families to get ahead."

3 posted on 11/14/2005 7:58:40 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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re :But their welcome progress is no cause for complacency, especially when it appears to be so much harder for young people from Pakistani or Bangladeshi families to get ahead.

If Indians can do it so can they, unless they want to sit on there backsides and claim victom.

4 posted on 11/14/2005 8:00:38 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class plays no part in determining children's chances of well-paid careers

My snotty retort would be that this is meritocracy in action.

5 posted on 11/14/2005 8:01:09 AM PST by robomurph
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To: CarrotAndStick

Want can "French Muslim Youths" learn from this??


6 posted on 11/14/2005 8:03:30 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
The work ethic is alive and well............

Except for the Muslims. Whining and complaining before issuing fatwas for jihad seems to be their work ethic. After all, it is beneath them to work for someone who is dhimmi.

7 posted on 11/14/2005 8:25:38 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Dallas59
Want can "French Muslim Youths" learn from this??

Move to the UK?

8 posted on 11/14/2005 8:26:29 AM PST by bkepley
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To: CarrotAndStick
In another news:
 
Indian family in UK faces racist attacks
 
Two UK men guilty of family murder

9 posted on 11/14/2005 9:47:24 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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