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To: jcwky; PhiKapMom; Paloma_55; BufordP; Doogle; bordergal; Txsleuth; Dawgreg; Peach
"Can this guy run for President??"

Direct answer to that question is Yes.

As you measure the response to some of his other positions--the effort to take some of the pork out of the spending bill for example; you see his broad electoral appeal.

However the Political Establishment is absolutely against him. The Senate was overwhelmingly critical of his position on the spending bill. And this effort is going to be met with silence also.

Properly organized and funded, he might have a shot at getting the Republican nomination through the normal process.

That said, I also want to cast some realism on General Chong's paper.

Recognition that the Moslems represent a clear direct military threat to Western Civilization and the obvious challenge presented by the need for a response does not mean that we need to endorse the foreign or military policy of the incumbent administration as the basis for defense.

To the contrary, the current effort is failing. In part for reasons identified by General Chong--we need to recognize who the enemy is and it is not terrorism, it is militant Moslems, many of whom are ethnically identified; Congress needs to specifically Declare War; we need to close and control the borders; and we most urgently need to develop and foreign and military policy that will work.

We need to be able to politically separate the issues of illegal immigration from the south from the need to be able to control our national territory. Although I personally would support deporting all illegals; and view the economic cost of supporting them in the US as having a net cost far in excess of any reduced labor cost benefit, we need to debate that issue separately from the fundamental issue of border control.

We don't need to sacrifice American lives and waste our tax dollars trying to civilize Iraq. Iraq is not a real country--it is a collection of at least four and perhaps five separate religious and ethnic groups that have been at each others throats for over a thousand years. It is never going to be a Democratically governable country--face it.

The easy obvious solution is to divide the country. The local Moslem's don't like it? If they were really willing to be part of an effective solution, we might give their views and objectives some consideration but they are not. We need to do it--and control the aftermath in the narrow geographical areas that are important to the US with treaties (oil production and military basing).

Torture is immoral and wrong. If you support it, what are you going to say to Jesus Christ when he asks you about it? It is also unnecessary in a realistic effort to make a practical response to deprive American citizens of their Constitutional rights. The Law is the foundation of our Republic. We don't need to abrogate the Law to mount an effective response to the Moslems--we need to find effective leadership.

29 posted on 11/16/2005 7:36:43 AM PST by David (...)
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To: David

The Oklahoma establishment was against Dr. Coburn in the Senate race but he rallied folks like me who are part of the Okalahoma Republican grassroots and in a three-man race, Dr. Coburn won without a run-off in the Republican primary. He got in the race late, but his voice ignited the grassroots and the rest is history.

He has a message that is clear, conservative, and from the heart and is not afraid to stand up for what is right. He is just a good man who would make a great President IMHO.


43 posted on 11/16/2005 10:42:40 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII MOM -- Istook for OK Governor in 2006! Allen in 2008!)
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