[WildHorseCrash]

Actually the argument is that they indeed do not advance religion since it's only Ceremonial Deism which is not unconstitutional.

Which is a bunch of BS, IMHO. It's a way of violating the First Amendment, but pretending it doesn't because the politicians (be they Legislators or Judges) don't want to upset the religious nutballs who'll howl and scream...

[curiosity]

It's a way of violating the First Amendment

Strange, because the very same people who wrote the First Amendment didn't seem to have a problem with any of these things.

Seems to me either you or they don't understand what the 1st Amendment menas. I'll go with the Founding Fathers, thank you very much.