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Networking: Feds calls BlackBerry essential
UPI ^ | November 14, 2005 | UPI

Posted on 11/16/2005 5:12:39 PM PST by 2Jim_Brown

CHICAGO, Nov. 14 (UPI) -- The feds are intervening in a 5-year-old patent case against Research in Motion Ltd., the Canadian-based developer of BlackBerry, arguing in court papers filed last week that the networked wireless computing devices are essential and a network outage could cause severe problems for the U.S. government.

"The injunction would, literally, prevent RIM from providing the services that would be essential for the federal government, as well as state and local governments, to continue their use of the BlackBerry devices," the U.S. Department of Justice argued in a court filing. By Gene Koprowski

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: blackberry; federalgovernment; patent
The feds are arguing in court papers filed last week that the BlackBerry is essential and a network outage could cause severe problems for the U.S. government.
1 posted on 11/16/2005 5:12:39 PM PST by 2Jim_Brown
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To: 2Jim_Brown

And?


2 posted on 11/16/2005 5:15:28 PM PST by calrighty ( Watch " The Beeber Story ", written by al baby, produced by Hugh Series. Troops BTTT)
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To: calrighty
Feds calls BlackBerry essential

"I tol' you Ah wuz essenshul!"

4 posted on 11/16/2005 5:21:03 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro
LOL LOL LOL

LVM

5 posted on 11/16/2005 5:22:15 PM PST by LasVegasMac (HoOked on Fonics. Dun goOd For me?)
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To: Stingy Dog
I think RIM must provide the services or else.

You haven't been following the case. RIM infringed on a patent and is being sued to put RIM out of business. Now the government is jumping into the fray because the government sunk tons of money into buying RIM equipment. The government doesn't want the plaintiff to prevail against RIM for patent infringement because the government would be holding lots of high tech paperweights if RIM loses the case. Perhaps the solution is to force RIM to pay licensing fees for all the equipment sold to date and all future purchases. The RIM user base may have to suck up a one time charge on the monthly bill to cover licensing the purloined technology.

6 posted on 11/16/2005 5:26:16 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: LasVegasMac
< |;)~

Blackberry, schmackberry.

7 posted on 11/16/2005 5:27:03 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Myrddin

I think it should come out of the personal assets of the officers of the infringing corporation.


8 posted on 11/16/2005 5:31:02 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: martin_fierro

Treo650?


9 posted on 11/16/2005 5:32:50 PM PST by Crazieman (6-23-2005, Establishment of the United Socialist States of America)
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To: Crazieman

Treo 600, actually.

Mrs. F has the 650, and it be sweeeeeet.


10 posted on 11/16/2005 5:34:25 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Stingy Dog

thanks


11 posted on 11/16/2005 5:34:37 PM PST by calrighty ( Watch " The Beeber Story ", written by al baby, produced by Hugh Series. Troops BTTT)
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To: martin_fierro

ROTFLMBO


13 posted on 11/16/2005 5:35:21 PM PST by calrighty ( Watch " The Beeber Story ", written by al baby, produced by Hugh Series. Troops BTTT)
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To: 2Jim_Brown
I find it rather odd that the feds get involved in asking the court to set asside their own laws just because they use the (illegal) services of blackberry.

If the feds needed elevator music would they claim the right to violate the patents and copyrights of the record industry?

If this patent can be set aside because the feds want it so, then why not half a million other patents and copyrights ?

The US patent system is so screwed up that you can patent a ham sandwich SIMPLY because no one else thought to do so before.

But this is a case where blackberry clearlu stole the technology and is not seen as having a chance at prevailing in the case, and will be forced to fork over millions.

Another attorney said the case promises to be one of the most momentous patent cases in history. "This could turn out to be as big as or bigger than Kodak v. Polaroid, in which an injunction based upon Polaroid's patents put Kodak out of the instant camera business," said Bob Fieseler, partner and board member with McAndrews, Held & Malloy, based in Chicago.

And we all know how well the instant photo business is doing these days don't we....

I'm still trying to figure out what our government is doing on those easily hacked blackberries anyway?

14 posted on 11/16/2005 5:35:26 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: 2Jim_Brown
The Blackberry may be essential to the federal government, but the federal government is quite unessential to the individual American.
15 posted on 11/16/2005 5:43:42 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: martin_fierro
Wrong essential Berry (what were you thinking?!?), and you're still one short.
16 posted on 11/16/2005 5:58:46 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: adamsjas

Electronic Leashes for the big wheels.
Read email while at home, on the road, without lugging a laptop. New ones have cell phones. Unclassified only, and the data and voice traffic is encrypted.

Classified use requires a crypto module sled and is or is not allowed or in production. They keep changing policies on that.


I say chuck em, personally. Besides RIM is from Canuckistan.




17 posted on 11/16/2005 5:59:23 PM PST by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: martin_fierro

Naw, he's just interested in 'em because he heard they were "Crack" Berries.


18 posted on 11/16/2005 6:10:44 PM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: adamsjas
The US patent system is so screwed up that you can patent a ham sandwich SIMPLY because no one else thought to do so before.

Although one requirement for a patent is supposed to be proving that the inventor can actually do what the patent claims, it should not be possible for the first company that comes up with an anti-impotence drug to patent the concept of "improving potency via medication".

19 posted on 11/16/2005 6:20:48 PM PST by supercat (Sony delinda est.)
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To: 2Jim_Brown
On 911 my husband, who was 7 blocks from the WTC, and I lost contact. Last I heard from him, he was heading South!

No calls to NYC were going through after the towers collapsed, wireless or land. I finally got a message from him on someone's RIM pager. After hours of anxious worry, it was great to hear that mechanical voice tell me, "I'm OK."

Whether these would work in all disasters, I don't know. We looked into satellite phones once. $$$$

20 posted on 11/16/2005 6:22:15 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: adamsjas
And we all know how well the instant photo business is doing these days don't we....

Polaroids are still used for a number of things, though digital is gradually replacing them. Actually, it's interesting that nobody's picked up any of the instant-photography stuff whose patents have expired. I would think there would be uses for some of it, though I have no idea what the raw materials costs are.

21 posted on 11/16/2005 6:23:26 PM PST by supercat (Sony delinda est.)
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To: supercat
I'm the go-to guy for Blackberrys at work. God I hate those damn things. As soon as someone gets one, they can't live without it. How the heck did we do anything before they arrived? I guess they are OK when they work. Problem is, they don't work more than they work. My dream is that they win the lawsuit and shut them down.

I'm serious.

22 posted on 11/16/2005 6:30:22 PM PST by linuxnut
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To: adamsjas

I'm sure this action by the Feds is just their way of letting the judge know that whatever remedy he prescribes, it should not include putting RIM out of business completely.

On a related note, maybe this is why when I installed the BlackBerry Enterprise Server software and 12 devices for a customer last month, Cingular gave us the $4000 software from BlackBerry for free.


23 posted on 11/16/2005 6:41:38 PM PST by RightFighter
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To: martin_fierro

"Treo 600, actually. "

I have a 650 - dunno how i ever lived without it!


24 posted on 11/16/2005 9:11:22 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: RightFighter

I'm weirded out that the US Fed Gov is totally reliant on a product from a company owned and run by furriners!


25 posted on 11/16/2005 9:13:09 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az
I'm thinking about getting her the Palm GPS Navigator Bundle for it for Christmas.

Do you use a SD card with yours, and if so, what capacity? How well does it work? We have a 256 MB one and may upgrade to the 1GB.

26 posted on 11/16/2005 9:19:41 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: adamsjas
Sideways swinging on a swingset patent is one of my favorites. How many children out there can be sued for patent infringement... Oh, and if you look at the bottom of the granted patent application, licenses are available.
27 posted on 11/16/2005 9:19:51 PM PST by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: kingu
Sideways swinging on a swingset patent is one of my favorites. How many children out there can be sued for patent infringement... Oh, and if you look at the bottom of the granted patent application, licenses are available.

HOLD EVERYTHING... I have prior art! In the family scrap book... Me and my bro....

28 posted on 11/16/2005 9:33:08 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: martin_fierro

" Do you use a SD card with yours, and if so, what capacity? How well does it work? We have a 256 MB one and may upgrade to the 1GB."

2 gb sd card. For 2 reasons... 1) so move programs onto the card and out of main memory (theres a few programs to do this with), and of course for mp3 files i play with ptunes. :) I can also carry large work related docs like .doc and .pdf files on there, and save pics and video to the card.

I figured it was worth paying now for the 2gb card rather than get a smaller card now and another card later.


29 posted on 11/17/2005 6:21:23 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: martin_fierro

Oh btw, reason I have the phone period is that my job requires a lot of travel. For example, between now and the end of Jan I'll be in Portland OR, San Diego CA, Breckenridge CO, Pittsburgh PA, and Austin TX. A pda/phone is indespensible to a road warrior!


30 posted on 11/17/2005 6:23:02 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: 2Jim_Brown

Update:

US judge deals RIM blow in BlackBerry patent case

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd. on Wednesday was pushed closer to a possible shutdown of its U.S. mobile e-mail service after a judge refused to delay a patent infringement case and rejected a disputed settlement with patent holder NTP Inc.

U.S. District Judge James Spencer said he would request briefs and set a hearing date to deal with the remaining issues of injunctive relief and appropriate damages against RIM.

"Valid patents would be rendered meaningless if an infringing party were allowed to circumvent the patents' enforcement by incessantly delaying and prolonging court proceedings, which have already resulted in a finding of infringement," Spencer said in his ruling.

Still pending before Spencer is a request by NTP to move forward with an injunction that would halt U.S. sales of the BlackBerry and shut its service.

Spencer granted an injunction in 2003 after the patent-holding company successfully sued RIM in the U.S. District Court for Eastern Virginia, but the ruling was stayed pending appeal.

Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM and NTP, of McLean Va., reached the outlines of a $450 million settlement in March, but the deal fell apart over the details.

An appeals court in August scaled back an infringement ruling against RIM, but upheld some of NTP's patent infringement claims.

Shares in RIM were halted pending news. A RIM spokeswoman did not immediately return calls and e-mails seeking comment.


31 posted on 11/30/2005 3:21:42 PM PST by Spottys Spurs
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To: adamsjas

If you read the article correctly, which it appears that the headline writer did not, you see that the Feds consider the service essential to the use of the Blackberry ( well duh) ... NOT that the use of the Blackberry was essential to the government.


32 posted on 01/23/2006 7:00:04 PM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he is not guilty)
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