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Withdraw the Libby indictment {Wash Times Ed.)
Washington Times ^ | Nov 17, 2005 | editorial

Posted on 11/17/2005 2:49:48 AM PST by The Raven

Bob Woodward's just-released statement, suggesting that on June 27, 2003, he may have been the reporter who told Scooter Libby about Joseph Wilson's wife, blew a gigantic hole in Patrick Fitzgerald's recently unveiled indictment of the vice president's former chief of staff.

While that indictment did not charge Mr. Libby with outing a CIA covert operative, it alleged that he lied to investigators and the grand jury. As we have stated earlier on this page -- and unlike many conservative voices then -- we believe perjury is always a serious offense (even in a political setting). And if sufficient evidence exists to support a conviction, then Mr. Fitzgerald's indictment of Mr. Libby was fully warranted.

However, the heart of his perjury theory was predicated upon the proposition that Mr. Libby learned of Valerie Plame's identity from other government officials and not from NBC's Tim Russert, ...

--snip

However, given Mr. Woodward's account, which came to light after the Libby indictment was announced, that he met with Mr. Libby in his office -- armed with the list of questions, which explicitly referenced "yellowcake" and "Joe Wilson's wife" and may have shared this information during the interview -- it is entirely possible that Mr. Libby may have indeed heard about Mrs. Plame's employment from a reporter. ...

--snip Accordingly, Mr. Fitzgerald should do the right thing and promptly dismiss the indictment of Scooter Libby.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


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To: VeritatisSplendor
This makes no sense -- if Libby learned about Plame from woodward, why wouldn't he have already told that to Fitzgerald?

Woodward stated that he did not want to get subpoenaed because he was working on a book at the time.

61 posted on 11/17/2005 4:41:59 AM PST by mware (Keeper of the I's.)
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To: jennyjenny
Joe Wilson and his wife were just not as important as Joe Wilson would like everyone to believe

Understatement of the year award...

62 posted on 11/17/2005 4:42:41 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: advance_copy
You called me out on my statement, " The indictment itself says that Cooper told Libby about Plame - and not that Libby told Cooper about Plame." You asserted that that statement was FALSE.

The relevant parts of the indictment have been reproduced for the lurkers, with a link so they can check whether or not I have misrepresented the indictment.

... if Libby had heard about Plame from Woodward, his testimony and statements in 26 and 32 are true.

32.b contains what the prosecutor says is a MATERIALLY FALSE statement by Libby, to wit ...

b. LIBBY advised Matthew Cooper of Time magazine on or about July 12, 2003, that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and further advised him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true;

Having heard anything from Woodward, at any time, would not change the nature of that assertion by the prosecutor, in fact, it would bolster it, as Libby is saying he heard from other reporters.

63 posted on 11/17/2005 4:43:20 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: counterpunch

I doubt that it was Ari Fleischer, since the person is question is so often called a senior official. But I guess it is possible.

I guess it's also possible, maybe even more possible, that it is the same under secretary of state who allegedly told Libby.

I'm surprised at how little attention that person has gotten. I'm not even sure who it is. I see that it is largely assumed to be Grossman.

But then again, if it were the under secretary of state, why wouldn't he have told Fitz earlier -- unless he just remembered.

I also wonder if the person who talked to Woodward wasn't also Novak's source. Remember, he said we would be surprised at how it is. Which also makes me think it may turn out to be Powell.

He certainly is "no partisan gunslinger." And some say he is close to Woodward. (Don't ask me why.)


64 posted on 11/17/2005 4:44:39 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: advance_copy
Nice.....Except that Cooper talked to ROVE on the 11th BEFORE he reached Libby and dropped the same line on him, i.e., "I heard his wife is CIA?"

Regardless of whether Libby knew from the CIA about Valerie and Joe, if Rove told Libby that he got a strange call from Cooper, Cooper IS the source of the rumor, not Rove or the CIA.

65 posted on 11/17/2005 4:48:23 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Cboldt

"b. LIBBY advised Matthew Cooper of Time magazine on or about July 12, 2003, that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA"

If Woodward told Libby, then this is true.

"...and further advised him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true"

It is quite telling that Fitz has indicted Libby for not confirming or denying classified information to a reporter. Libby was doing what you are supposed to do under such circumstances.


66 posted on 11/17/2005 4:50:23 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Cboldt

The indictment actually says that Cooper asked Libby (not told him) about Plame, and that Libby responded without qualification that Plame worked for the CIA, according to Cooper. Libby testified he responded to Cooper's question by saying he heard about Plame from other reporters, which is bolstered by Woodward now. Woowdward says he might have told Libby.

Only two people in the world know what was actually said between Cooper and Libby. But there is no way that they can convict Libby for obstruction, false statements, or perjury about the Cooper testimony since there is obvious reasonable doubt.


67 posted on 11/17/2005 4:50:25 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Sacajaweau

Cooper claims that Rove told him about Plame. Not the other way around.


68 posted on 11/17/2005 4:51:54 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: The Raven
Looks like Fitzmas baulked and Libby was awarded Home base!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

69 posted on 11/17/2005 4:52:25 AM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Fitzy should drop the whole thing now and apologise to Libby.


70 posted on 11/17/2005 4:54:32 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: Sam Hill
I agree with all of that.
I don't think it was Ari. I was just throwing that out there because I was reminded of it by the use of the word "former". The Press Secretary is the highest ranking official in the White House Press Office, though. This administration tends to neglect the importance of that particular office, but in the Clinton White House it was hands down the most important office in the entire administration.

No one would consider Libby to fit the description of "no partisan gunslinger" and the only thing surprising to most people upon learning it was Libby was that there was someone in the White House named "Scooter". So it the preponderance of the evidence does in fact point away from Libby being Novak's source.


 
71 posted on 11/17/2005 4:55:45 AM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: The Raven
Woodward beats the Libby defense team to the microphone.
HAHA too bad he wasn't this quick with Mr. Deep Throat.
72 posted on 11/17/2005 4:56:11 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: counterpunch

"Libby was that there was someone in the White House named "Scooter"."

If I had Lexis-Nexus I would check to see how many times Libby was called "Scooter" in the press before this fatwah was issued by the DNC.

I would bet not at all.


73 posted on 11/17/2005 4:57:51 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: wotan

What you and #3 poster fail to note is the fact Woodward DID NOT come through with this revelation until a high admin official talked to Fitz and told him he had told Woodward.

Woodward would probably have kept his mouth shut.

Now just how is Woodward lying to protect Libby?


74 posted on 11/17/2005 4:59:21 AM PST by Chuck54 (Free Scooter, Indict Joe W)
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To: Sam Hill
"[32]b. LIBBY advised Matthew Cooper of Time magazine on or about July 12, 2003, that he had heard that other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA"

If Woodward told Libby, then this is true.

Not necessarily. An alternative is that LIBBY did NOT tell Cooper that he had heard from reporters. This is geting repetitive, but paragraph 33 recites what the prosecutor alleges is the truth of the matter:

[33] b. LIBBY did not advise Matthew Cooper, on or about July 12, 2003, that LIBBY had heard other reporters were saying that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, nor did LIBBY advise him that LIBBY did not know whether this assertion was true; rather, LIBBY confirmed to Cooper, without qualification, that LIBBY had heard that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA;

It is quite telling that Fitz has indicted Libby for not confirming or denying classified information to a reporter. Libby was doing what you are supposed to do under such circumstances.

Libby's indictment has nothing to do with lying to reporters. He is free to lie to reporters all he wants. That is perfectly legal.

75 posted on 11/17/2005 5:01:25 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau

Good point. The entire indictment hinges on three things:

1. Cooper's account of the conversation is true, that Libby told him Plame was CIA without qualification.

2. Libby lied when he testified that he told Cooper he had heard about Plame from reporters. But Libby's testimony is even more likely since Woodward's revelation that he knew about Plame months before the Novak article and may have told Libby about her.

3. Libby did not confuse Russert with Woodward and Russert is telling the truth. The Russert telling the truth part is the most difficult to believe.

At best, Fitzgerald only has Cooper's word against Libby's and Russert's word against Libby's. And it's all about conversations that took place where both parties could remember things differently. This case against Libby has holes in it big enough to drive a truck through. Fitzgerald should drop the charges.


76 posted on 11/17/2005 5:02:34 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: RayStacy
Wow! Wish I knew what was going on. Usually things are much more clear on this site. We have people reading the same docs, and saying things that are 100% diametrically opposed to each other. What gives.

ROSE COLORED GLASSES!

77 posted on 11/17/2005 5:03:36 AM PST by Chuck54 (Free Scooter, Indict Joe W)
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To: Cboldt
An alternative is that LIBBY did NOT tell Cooper that he had heard from reporters.

The only two people who know that for sure are Libby and Cooper. Both could remember the conversation differently. How in the world are they going to convict someone and send them to jail based on such a flimsy case?
78 posted on 11/17/2005 5:05:23 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: counterpunch
Fitzgerald has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby intentionally set out to deceive prosecutors and the grand jury when he confused names and dates a year after the fact.

A year? Your calendar is different from the one most of the US uses then.

Woodward's testimony has created an insurmountable reasonable doubt for Fitzgerald's case.

Sell it to the jury. I'm not buying it. Woodward's participation, as described in his letter this week, is irrelevant to the case as presented. It is useful as a smokescreen, for those who are amenable to distraction.

The very premise Fitzgerald's case is build on has been discredited ...

Oh? And what might that premise be?

79 posted on 11/17/2005 5:07:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Fitzgerald's premise that Libby could not have learned about Plame from reporters is discredited by the Woodward revelation.


80 posted on 11/17/2005 5:10:08 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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