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How To Lose A War: The Sequel (Ollie North)
GOP USA ^ | 11-18-05 | Oliver North

Posted on 11/17/2005 8:22:10 PM PST by smoothsailing

How To Lose A War: The Sequel

By Oliver North

November 18, 2005

Since October of 2001, our FOX News "War Stories" unit has been documenting the remarkable young Americans fighting the Global War on Terror. We have covered thousands of them on the decks of ships in the Persian Gulf, on combat patrols in the shadow of the Hindu Kush, in gunfights along the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates and gone to hospitals in Iraq, Germany and the U.S. with the wounded. Throughout, there has been a common bond among these "warriors of Sept. 11" -- a steadfast resolve that they could win the war. Now, for the first time since I accompanied the initial U.S. combat units heading into Kandahar, Afghanistan, I'm hearing something different -- a loss of confidence in the final outcome.

Over the course of the last ten days, I've met with scores of those I'd previously covered overseas. These soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines are now in "stateside" assignments at Camp Lejeune and Fort Bragg, N.C., at Miramar Air Station in California, at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio and here in Hawaii. Many of them expect to be back in the fight -- some of them soon. But recent reversals -- not on the battlefield but in Washington -- have caused nearly all of those I talked to on this trip to question whether we are suddenly in danger of losing the war they have been fighting.

This sudden loss of assurance in our fighting forces has nothing to do with casualty figures, troop levels, the leaders prosecuting the war in the field or new acts of terror by a ruthless enemy. Rather, the anxieties I'm now hearing from those I have covered in combat come in questions like: "Do you think that they are going to pull us out before we've finished the mission?" and "Will we abandon Iraq like we abandoned Vietnam?" Interestingly, not one of the thousands of young Americans I have covered in Iraq or Afghanistan has ever asked about or commented upon pre-war intelligence.

For more than two years the so-called mainstream media, the far left and some in Congress have been making trite comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq. Having spent a significant amount of time in both conflicts, about the only parallels I have seen in the two wars have been that bullets still wound and kill, and spilled blood is still red. But another common thread now ties the two hostilities together -- political cowardice in Washington, D.C.

On Tuesday this week, with the Commander in Chief traveling in Asia, the Democrat leadership in the U.S. Senate introduced a proposal that would have set a fixed date for withdrawing American troops from Iraq. The measure was defeated 58 to 40, but an amended version, setting 2006 as a "period of significant transition creating conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq," passed by an overwhelming 79-19 margin.

Though the White House and some Republican lawmakers sounded the trumpets of victory for defeating the Democrats' hard-and-fast timetable, the message to the troops is clear: No matter where we stand in the war on terror -- if the Senate has its way, we're "pulling out" in 2006. Abu Musab al Zarqawi's "al Qaeda in Iraq" terrorist organization immediately claimed victory and exhorted his followers to "hold on." Officials in Iraq's interim government, intent on providing a secure election on Dec. 15, were publicly muted in response to the votes, expressing hopes in an official statement that "Iraqi security forces are becoming increasingly effective." Americans in uniform -- both in-theatre and at home -- were stunned.

Major General William Webster, commanding the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq said that "setting a date would mean that the 221 soldiers I've lost this year, that their lives will have been lost in vain." A U.S. Marine colonel, recently returned from Iraq, called it "a formula for disaster." And universally those I have met with here in Hawaii, from the U.S. Army's 25th Infantry Division to the 1st Marine Brigade, to the sailors of the fleet, to the wounded at Tripler Army Hospital -- all expressed anger and frustration with statements like:

"We've fought well." "We're helping to create a democracy." "Don't they want us to win?"

That's a valid question. Even Senate Republicans don't seem to know what they want. As the "World's Greatest Deliberative Body" was exploring how to set a "date certain" for withdrawing troops without setting a certain date, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said, "Americans do not cut and run, Americans do not abandon their commitments and Americans do not abandon their friends." But he voted for the measure anyway.

About the only ones in Washington who seem to know what they want are the leaders of the Democrat party. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who voted for war in 2002, waited until President Bush was overseas meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan to proclaim that, "Democrats and Republicans acknowledged that staying the course is not the way to go." He then summed it all up by adding, "This is a vote of no confidence on the Bush-administration policy in Iraq."

William Jefferson Blythe Clinton knows what this is all about. Though the Clinton administration had advocated the overthrow of Saddam in 1998, he told a university audience in Dubai this week that the Iraq war was "a big mistake." Like former President Jimmy Carter, Mr. Clinton apparently no longer feels bound by the affront to our troops or the traditional protocols that once governed political discourse while overseas.

In the House, Pennsylvania's John Murtha, an influential Democrat who voted in favor of Iraq war in 2002, called for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops saying, "it is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf region."

The GOP leadership, senior administration officials and the president need to dramatically alter the debate. They need to go to Iraq -- talk to the troops and reassure them that we will stay there long enough to get the job done and not one second longer. Notwithstanding the "peace in our time" appeasement sentiment sweeping through our capital, it's not too late. Republicans need to realize that wining the war in Iraq is the only issue that really matters right now. It is more important than Medicare, the next Supreme Court justice, foreign trade deals or tax reform. If we lose the war -- and we could -- none of these things will matter.

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1 posted on 11/17/2005 8:22:11 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Calpernia

You may want to ping your Iraq ping list -- it breaks your heart how dedicated our troops are and what traitors the MSM and Dems are.

"This sudden loss of assurance in our fighting forces has nothing to do with casualty figures, troop levels, the leaders prosecuting the war in the field or new acts of terror by a ruthless enemy. Rather, the anxieties I'm now hearing from those I have covered in combat come in questions like: "Do you think that they are going to pull us out before we've finished the mission?" and "Will we abandon Iraq like we abandoned Vietnam?" Interestingly, not one of the thousands of young Americans I have covered in Iraq or Afghanistan has ever asked about or commented upon pre-war intelligence. "


2 posted on 11/17/2005 8:26:48 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: smoothsailing

WE WILL NOT REWRITE HISTORY & WE WILL NOT REPEAT HISTORY!

 

We have to make this a battle cry

 


3 posted on 11/17/2005 8:27:23 PM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks to the anti-American propaganda from leftists in this country, I bet the enlistment and reenlistment of soldiers drops dramatically.

Military effectiveness will go to hell and who will the voters blame? Remember, 49% voted for Kerry. That means 49% do not care!


4 posted on 11/17/2005 8:30:06 PM PST by Prost1 (If you fight, fight hard, fight dirty, fight to win!)
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To: smoothsailing

The current strategy of cordon, clear, hold with Iraqi forces is a formula for success.

It makes perfect sense when seen in the context of 90% of the Iraqi provinces being calm.

That prospect of an elected government and a military success is really troubling some people. They don't want us to get there. That will ensure conservative domination for years. Therefore, they need to pull out all stops to prevent it. If they can't, they'll pull out all stops to redefine it.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 8:33:42 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: smoothsailing
It is more important than Medicare, the next Supreme Court justice, foreign trade deals or tax reform. If we lose the war -- and we could -- none of these things will matter.

Try to explain that to a liberal. He won't agree because he won't get it. The matter between his ears is NOT gray....

6 posted on 11/17/2005 8:35:39 PM PST by Just Lori (Tony Schaeffer, Curt Weldon, Able Danger....... PAY ATTENTION.)
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To: smoothsailing

GBU Ollie!


7 posted on 11/17/2005 8:37:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: smoothsailing; All

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The enemy within TED KENNEDY is...

trying to do to Iraq what...

he did to Vietnam 30 years ago =


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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8 posted on 11/17/2005 8:39:36 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: xzins
they'll pull out all stops to redefine it

And if they succeed, we will need to go to ground because WWIII will be brought to our front doors in Anytown, USA.

Those people are insane if they believe otherwise.

9 posted on 11/17/2005 8:47:30 PM PST by Humidston
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To: Prost1
I hope all you fun loving folks that thought that bashing Bush over Meirs, the length of the White house grass, and other equally important things was wise, now realize that our enemies will use everything and anything to destroy the President, EVEN IF IT MEANS SACRIFICING OUR TROOPS AND LOSING THE WAR If the Rats get Bush, we wish for the 9/11 days.
10 posted on 11/17/2005 8:48:29 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: smoothsailing
They don't want Iraq to become stabilized and become a democracy that might actually allie with us in the future. So many of them by their speaches show how deeply ill-informed they are. Few probably spend any time in an effort to actually become well informed. Their words give them away. Those Islamofacists are waiting patiently. They laught as they see how they are going to win in the end, just identically as North Vietnam did back when. And the powers that be that own these L/MSMs see they are the ones that have won the battle. They have with their craft carefully molded the outcome which is apparently is unfolding before or eyes over the past year and a half.
Clearly the POTUS must break with tradition and start giving such forcefull increminating speaches, well crafted so that even the dummest Americans wakes up and says..........Oh my God...........now I see what he is trying to say. Or the gig is up.
11 posted on 11/17/2005 8:51:22 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: xzins
To me this is the beginning of deja vu all over again, as Yogi Berra would say.Except when he said it,it was funny

Not this time.

I was going to college on the GI Bill,after returning from Vietnam,when the Democrats cut off funding to our war effort then.

It wasn't the military that lost that war, it was the Democrat Party.

The President,the miltary and still some Republicans are steadfast today.All of us have to support them and not let them down.

I know you will,xzins, but I just had to rant a little bit.

12 posted on 11/17/2005 8:52:13 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
"Republicans need to realize that wining the war in Iraq is the only issue that really matters right now."

Col. North is exactly right.

Unfortunately many of our GOP leaders... office holders are only interested in matching, with different verbage, the Democrat position in an election year.

I am through with the bastards.

13 posted on 11/17/2005 8:53:41 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: smoothsailing

I really wish the Bush Administration had a maverick thinker who could find new ways to reach the American people. They coasted so long-- some people thay can't reach anymore.


14 posted on 11/17/2005 8:54:31 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Marine_Uncle
See my post #12,Uncle.It's always a pleasure to share a thread with you, my FRiend.
15 posted on 11/17/2005 8:57:05 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ImpBill; jimrob
I am through with the bastards.

Agreed. Maybe it's time for another March for Justice???

16 posted on 11/17/2005 8:57:31 PM PST by Humidston
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To: Humidston
Actually, and I mean this quite seriously, it is time for more hours on the Golf Course. I stink at it, but don't get nearly as frustrated pinning my hopes on a hopeless political party ... machine.
17 posted on 11/17/2005 8:59:33 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
You're right,Ronnie.The K twins,Teddy&Johnny
18 posted on 11/17/2005 9:00:52 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I started college, too, in 1974, the year Nixon resigned and the final year in Vietnam. I had just gotten out of the army on my first ets in order to do college and seminary.

It was such a demoralizing time. I remember the news showing helicopters laden with people fleeing. Then the curtain fell. Then there were sporadic reports of the mass murders, boat people, and inability for the hypocrites to report on the events. (No free press at that time and place.)

I hate our socialist MSM and our socialist politicians. From my guts, I despise them, detest them, wish them the worst. May they be accursed. Hell is too good for them.


19 posted on 11/17/2005 9:02:22 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: smoothsailing
"It is not hard to do the right thing.

It's hard to know what the right thing is.

Once you know what's right, …it's hard not to do it."

(Ben Kingsley in The Confession)

Now is the time. This is the issue. This is the fight. We must stand up to these bastards and take it to them. The traitors in our midst must be driven off the stage and the jihadis must be eliminated from the gene pool.

20 posted on 11/17/2005 9:02:32 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: ImpBill

I totally understand what you're saying because I'm doing exactly the same thing lately. I do read and post, but I'm trying to ignore most of the drip drip drip of the Vietnam sounding cacophony from the left.

My B/P stays under control that way.

But I just cannot understand what they're doing to us - again. They must hate our country.


21 posted on 11/17/2005 9:03:44 PM PST by Humidston
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To: smoothsailing

bump


22 posted on 11/17/2005 9:04:50 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: xzins
I started in the Fall of'69.Your memories are similar to mine.It didn't have to be that way.

The nation,although scarred,survived.

This time is different.

23 posted on 11/17/2005 9:08:56 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; djreece; ...
Since October of 2001, our FOX News "War Stories" unit has been documenting the remarkable young Americans fighting the Global War on Terror. We have covered thousands of them on the decks of ships in the Persian Gulf, on combat patrols in the shadow of the Hindu Kush, in gunfights along the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates and gone to hospitals in Iraq, Germany and the U.S. with the wounded. Throughout, there has been a common bond among these "warriors of Sept. 11" -- a steadfast resolve that they could win the war. Now, for the first time since I accompanied the initial U.S. combat units heading into Kandahar, Afghanistan, I'm hearing something different -- a loss of confidence in the final outcome.
24 posted on 11/17/2005 9:11:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for the ping!

BTTT


25 posted on 11/17/2005 9:12:34 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: smoothsailing; All

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JOHN KERRY came back from Vietnam to call us American Soldiers fighting for Freedom there...

...rapists & terrorists...

...instead of the ones we were fighting.

MEL GIBSON came back from filming our real Vietnam War story titled -WE WERE SOLDIERS-...

inspired to finally make his long planned ultimate story of LOVE & Sacrifice:

MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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26 posted on 11/17/2005 9:12:59 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: smoothsailing

What can the individual American do by himself?? When I voted for the republicans, I listened to what they had to say, 'promise'. They said what I wanted to hear. Now they are in office and what do they do, they ignore the wish of the people that voted them in. I always thought the politicians were there to represent me and vote for what the majority wanted, not what the special interests want or what's best for the party.
Can someone tell me, advise me, what I can do?? As a simpleton fly over person, what can be done?? What will happen to the United States if the democrats (communists) win the next election??


27 posted on 11/17/2005 9:13:59 PM PST by antiunion person (It's all Bush's fault !!!)
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To: smoothsailing
It is more important than Medicare, the next Supreme Court justice, foreign trade deals or tax reform. If we lose the war -- and we could -- none of these things will matter.

Whoa! If we don't stop the abortion slaughter, democracy in Iraq won't matter.

28 posted on 11/17/2005 9:18:30 PM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: smoothsailing

This whole debacle that we are witnessing makes me sick, and this article made me cry.

I thought that the Republicans would stand with our President. I guess not. It really makes me think, and I hope no one from the RNC asks me for money any time soon.


29 posted on 11/17/2005 9:19:49 PM PST by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: smoothsailing
"We've fought well." "We're helping to create a democracy." "Don't they want us to win?"

I think I'm passed the point where I think the Democrats have any sense of wanting to do what's good for this country. No, they don't want us to win.

They have wanted us to lose from day one, have tried to bring about our defeat from day one, and are hoping to reap as much political gain from such a defeat as possible.

They are traitors and I am sick to death of every last one of them.
30 posted on 11/17/2005 9:20:19 PM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles whenever a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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To: Antoninus

I find myself wondering how it would be today if Flight 93 had reached its intended destination.


31 posted on 11/17/2005 9:24:07 PM PST by Humidston
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To: smoothsailing

Damn them.

Damn all spineless Republicans and treacherous RINO's & Dems.

I issue this warning. They allow the Iraqi's to meet the fate of the Vietnamese...if they allow those troops to meet the same fate of my father...

I will make sure they are sent packing from Washington just as surely as they've set back Freedom in an entire region of the world and endangered the safety of this country.

GROW UP COWARDS! Fulfill your oath, tear up the NYT's, and start doing what's right for a change before consultation of a poll.

RENOUNCE that damn resolution, withdraw it, vote to stay the coarse, support the war, support the troops no matter cost and time until Victory. Sign your names to a resolution that condemns the terrorists to Hell before you condemn the Iraqi's, Americans and your own damn empty shells there. Renounce the lies told about this administration, Be something other than an opportunistic political fair weather shell of useful service to bin ladin and Zarquawi.


32 posted on 11/17/2005 9:24:47 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: smoothsailing

Ollie North is a great man. This was one of the most striking of his comments:

"...No matter where we stand in the war on terror -- if the Senate has its way, we're "pulling out" in 2006. Abu Musab al Zarqawi's "al Qaeda in Iraq" terrorist organization immediately claimed victory and exhorted his followers to "hold on."

LOOK WHAT THE SENATE IS DOING TO THIS COUNTRY!! They are a bunch of political cowards! Disgust does not even begin to measure my feeling tonight...I am in tears at this point. I am old enough to remember the end of Vietnam, our family lost a member (MIA), who was only returned to us in 1999 and buried at Arlington National Cemetary with full military honors..six white horses pulling the cassion, bagpipes playing Amazing Grace and a fly over of F-18's set in the missing man formation. He was finally laid to rest, 33 years and 24 days, since he went missing over the skies of Vietnam in 1966.
The War the politicians lost in Washington, not our brave men in Vietnam.


These politicians speak a good game, but in the end, it is only their own backsides they contemplate deep into the night. Not our soldiers,not our country, not even their own constituency. They contemplate POLLS..they contemplate losing their power..they contemplate their own selfish interests. This is a sad day in America!

Tonight, while looking for a unit to adopt during the holidays at AnySoldier.com, I ran across this message from Sgt. Brian Horn, which he ended by saying:

"The Any Soldier Campaign has seen tears from some, given hope to most, and has been inspirational to us all. Your relentless support has provided the simple reminder that any one of us would proudly die for a grateful nation in our ongoing fight against terrorism."

http://www.anysoldier.com/

Our soldiers have not given up the fight, but sadly, our Congress has.


33 posted on 11/17/2005 9:25:54 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: smoothsailing

If we pull out before the Iraqi military is strong enough to defend itself from Iran, the Iranian Mullahs will invade and topple Iraq. If this occurs while a dimwit is President, it will go uncontested. Then the Iranian Mullahs will invade and topple Jordon. This will put them on Israel's border. In a nut shell, we will be forcing Israel to nuke the Iranian mullah hordes before Iran destroys Israel. The only way Saddam could stop the mullah hordes was with chemical WMD. Either Israel nukes or Israel faces invasion from the Iranian Mullahs. So the deaths of millions of Iranians and/or Israeli's will be on the hands of the Roman Senator Reid and ilk. But hey, they will have gotten their prize. A Democratic President in exchange for millions of Middle Eastern lives. 'Deja Vu all over again'. They got their Democratic President (Carter) in exchange for hundreds of thousands of Asian lives.


34 posted on 11/17/2005 9:26:32 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: sissyjane
I thought that the Republicans would stand with our President. I guess not. It really makes me think, and I hope no one from the RNC asks me for money any time soon.

What I don't get is that the idiots in the GOP make the same mistake every time things get tough--abandon your base and cater to every group that will NEVER vote for you in a million years.

The GOP won't become a minority party in 2006 because they already are one. There are too many Democrats in the party who were elected under false pretenses. Even with a majority, they simply can not govern except in a liberal way.
35 posted on 11/17/2005 9:30:09 PM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles whenever a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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To: Soul Seeker

well said soulseeker!


36 posted on 11/17/2005 9:31:26 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Humidston

It makes me sick to think what the Clinton's likely think about that....(IF flight 93 had made it...to its "destination.")


37 posted on 11/17/2005 9:33:25 PM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: smoothsailing
I just got done reading parts of George76 post on Hanoi Traitor John Kerry.
This stuff can start getting to one after a while. There is so much dishonor, and deceit. The horrors we are seeing before our very eyes as how these senators and house reps are behaving is beyond the pale of belief.
I did not have to fight in the rice fields of NAM. I stayed home and helped produce ECM pods for our Airforce pilots,Navy and Marine aviators to protect them from SAMs. And later other military programs. It is like dejevue though.
History is repeating itself to a tee.
But now I take it so much more personally. I feel like a lot of us guys here probably do, that we would sign up and go over there and join these magnificant men and women who serve with such honor and committement.
To read the constant good reports about how many of those Iraqi units shall advance in their classification of worthyness, and how they are now effectively taking the fight to their enemy along side our Army and Marines on the ground. HOw in such a short amount of time they shall have the December full democratic election. Everything the POTUS had claimed must be done, is happening before our very eyes. And now these malfactants in their slubbering selfish, dishonorable way are bring everything our guys and gals have died for and got wounded over, to a halt.
Smoothsailing. It is getting tough to want to log in every day and read this stuff. But I guess I shall not stop. People such as visit this site must bear the pains, and assemble hard core balanced information for any who will listen. It is worse to just drop out and say the hell with it all.
38 posted on 11/17/2005 9:34:19 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Soul Seeker

PLEASE put that in an editorial letter to the NEW YORK TIMES, BOSTON GLOBE, WASHINGTON POST and WA TIMES....LA TIMES, etc.....Please!


39 posted on 11/17/2005 9:35:11 PM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: smoothsailing
Oh Gosh!

I had to restrain myself from unloading on a bunch of a$$holes at work today.

It was about bj clinton. It was just about sex!

What I wanted to say:

My father lost his eye in the Phillipines and his father was gassed in france. My great uncle died at Normandy. My Uncle Rip started the first MASH hospitals and flew the Hump. I wore his brother-in-law's AAF jacket while camping in Boy Scouts. Men have fought in this family since the Revolution.

They fought for this country. The beacon of FREEDOM AND LIBERTY in the world. They fought so these a$$holes could have the freedom of speech.

What I said: Good Night. I'll see you tomorrow.

We"ll see what tomorrow brings.

40 posted on 11/17/2005 9:44:32 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: justa-hairyape

And we will remember, I can assure you.


41 posted on 11/17/2005 9:46:53 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Not a 60s Hippy
"We have to make this a battle cry"


Everyone: GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND FIGHT THEM IF YOUR NOT DOING IT ALREADY.

There are a million blogs, forums, Usenet, whatever.
Get out there and ENGAGE the enemy. Debate them. Challenge them. Post the facts. Let them freak out. Push them over the edge with rage. Let them name call, let them turn to conspiracy theory's when hit with the facts. You wont change a moonbats mind. But you WILL stop them from spreading their lies without sound opposition, Fight them with knowledge with sound argument and logic. Share what you learn and post it here. You get a good article or editorial? SHARE IT! FreeRepublic rocks! It is invaluable in this media struggle. Don't keep it to yourself. Get it out there. Anywhere.

One person CAN make a difference. One Freeper DID make a very big difference. Ask Dan Rather about that one!

The troops are doing their part. Are you doing yours?
The terrorists know the battle is being fought in the media. Well WE ARE part of the media now. Don't underestimate the power of the Internet. It is the double punch with talk radio. See you out there in the jungle Freepers. Remember,they are a desperate bunch. They know they are losing. We got your back here.
42 posted on 11/17/2005 9:51:05 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: smoothsailing
It really is disheartening to see modern politics, even the Republicans, concerned only with their popularity and not concerned with what is in the best interest of this country.

Honestly, is it really best to sell out your country for a few measly votes?

Shouldn't we learn from our mistakes from the past and not keep repeating them because it might be the popular thing to do?

43 posted on 11/17/2005 9:51:16 PM PST by R_Kangel ("Those who follow wise men shall become wise, ......those who follow fools shall be destroyed !!!")
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To: Eagles6

"We"ll see what tomorrow brings."

Tomorrow will bring the same cool, calm and rational carriage that you showed them today. Stay the course and don't let them get to you..u have us(wink). We are going to get through this..let's just support our troops and Free Republic. Nobody else is getting my money or my time anytime soon. Hang in there.


44 posted on 11/17/2005 9:51:17 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Not a 60s Hippy
"We have to make this a battle cry"

I agree... the SEDITIONISTS must be stopped.

45 posted on 11/17/2005 9:54:11 PM PST by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: smoothsailing

God help me if I'm wrong, but I believe if the Democrats pull this off there will be Civil War in the U.S. The people of the United States will not abide another Viet Nam brought about by spineless politicians. Mark my words, this is very serious business when the people in charge put their interest above our posterity. This will not stand a second time.


46 posted on 11/17/2005 9:55:33 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Eagles6
We"ll see what tomorrow brings.

If our Roman Senate decides to back stab our troops and remove their funding, perhaps we the people can fund the troops ourselves. Heck, we might even get some contributions from the Jordanians, Kurds and Israeli's. Perhaps our military needs a paypal account. Here is a good paypal email address for em, kickterroristbut@usmilitary.iraq .

47 posted on 11/17/2005 9:57:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: penelopesire

Thanks. You know how much that helps.


48 posted on 11/17/2005 10:02:04 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: justa-hairyape; penelopesire

There is a time when the peasants need to march on the castle with pitchforks and torches.


49 posted on 11/17/2005 10:05:10 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 11/17/2005 10:08:12 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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