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Osama bin Laden: The Christian right's kind of enemy, says Duke prof.
The Book Standard ^ | 11/17/2005 | Max Chafkin

Posted on 11/17/2005 10:12:32 PM PST by culturewars

MESSAGES TO THE WORLD: THE STATEMENTS OF OSAMA BIN LADEN

Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”—and that his fanatical ideology puts him in line with Left Behind writers Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins and televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. This, he says, is exactly why the al-Qaeda spokesperson’s “hollow” message is so attractive to angry Arabs. ...

Osama bin Laden repeatedly cites the Qur’an, but he cites it in the way that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson cite the New Testament. You can make scripture fit your worldview and bin Laden had done this extraordinarily well with the Qur’an.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: academia; alqaeda; antichristianbigotry; binladen; books; brucelawrence; dukeu; jerryfalwell; jerryjenkins; leftbehind; patrobertson; religiousright; tenuredradicals; timlahaye

1 posted on 11/17/2005 10:12:33 PM PST by culturewars
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To: culturewars

INTREP


2 posted on 11/17/2005 10:15:33 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: culturewars

"Osama bin Laden repeatedly cites the Qur’an, but he cites it in the way that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson cite the New Testament."

I say OFF WITH THIS PROFESSORS HEAD!!!

(just kidding.)


3 posted on 11/17/2005 10:16:25 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: culturewars
I don't really detect any bias here.....Seems like a pretty even-handed assessment of the situation.....

</sarcasm*>

4 posted on 11/17/2005 10:17:47 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: culturewars

Another ivory tower dillhole runs his cakehole.


5 posted on 11/17/2005 10:19:10 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: culturewars
Yeah, OBL is just the same as Robertson and Fallwel, except for that leading a Jihad to kill nonmuslims. When I started college in the late 90s, the professors said that businesses were bemoaning the fact that graduates couldn't think critically. With logic like this going around, it's no surprise.
6 posted on 11/17/2005 10:19:21 PM PST by dan1123
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To: culturewars

Since when did Jerry Falwell cut someone's head off in the name of Allah?


7 posted on 11/17/2005 10:20:10 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks

bin laden's a poet and we didn't know it!


8 posted on 11/17/2005 10:23:36 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia trolls.)
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To: culturewars

Yeah, Pat Robertson always trains his faithful in hidden military camps to mass murder innocent civilians.


9 posted on 11/17/2005 10:24:18 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: culturewars
http://webpages.charter.net/maxflack/LAWRENCE.htm

BRUCE LAWRENCE—ABRAHAMIC  PLURALIST AND DEFROCKED MEDEIVALIST: THE BIN LADEN CHRONICLES!

 

 

                                                                

                     * Islamic lebensraum.                                    * Nazi lebensraum.                                     * Lawrence lebensraum.

 

 

Adolph Hitler had Neville Henderson and August Kubizek and Lord Haw Haw; John Kerry had Howard Dean and Michael Moore; Robin Hood had Maid Marion and Friar Tuck and Ben Jonson and John Keats; and Osama bin Laden has Bruce Lawrence of Duke University. Lawrence is current Nancy and Jeffrey Marcus Humanities Professor of Religion at Durham. He teaches comparative religion—preparatory classes for students about to embrace dhimmitude. He calls himself an Abrahamic pluralist and a defrocked medievalist. Well, as long as he keeps his pants on. Lawrence thought it would be a great idea if everybody got to know Osama bin Laden as intimately as he does. Osama is not an ogre, says Lawrence. He’s really a swell fellow, a bit more religious than Larry Flynt and Woody Harreslon perhaps but a splendid fellow. He’s somewhat on the order of Jerry Falwell—only taller. And he’s a great family man; he’s got lots of kids. And he doesn’t want to take over the whole world—that’s a crass canard. He only wants a small part of it—the dar al-Islam part, for now anyway.

 

Osama is a very busy man. He hasn’t had time to sit down and make a contribution to the literary world—bunker-busting bombs and scum-seeking missiles can be quite distracting. So far there’s been nothing—no It was a Dark and Stormy Night, no Mein Kampf. Lawrence thought he would do bin Laden’s many fans and admirers in the Middle East and in Berkeley a big favor by collecting Osama’s speeches and putting them together in a book. And the deed has been done. The result: Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden on sale at Amazon.com for $16.95, already reduced to $11.53 with Free Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25.

 

Could any full-blown, Allahu akbar Jihadist resist that kind of an offer? Only $11.53! Incredible! Why that’s cheaper than The Last Will and Testament of Casper the Friendly Ghost.  And what about complimentary copies? Who’s on the list for freebies? Do we see Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) who called Osama bin Laden a great builder and US Congresswoman Marci Kaptor (D-OH) who compared the Taliban to the Green Mountain Boys? And how about US Congressman James McDermott (D-WA)? Will he have to dig into his own pocket for the bin Laden Chronicles or will Howard Dean let him have a peek at his autographed tome? An enticing question!

 

Lawrence says people are mistaken about bin Laden. Jihad doesn’t mean war—it means being better at things. Of course—being better at things! How could one have been so mistaken about bin Laden! Being better at things! That makes sense. Why didn’t someone think of that before? That’s what Heinrich Himmler and Reichsfuhrer Reinhardt Heydrich said about being a Nazi. A Nazi was better at things—especially at finding lebensraum and solving the Jewish question. And to one of Robin’s Merry Band it meant being better at shooting arrows off petrified heads and dumping oafs into muddy creeks.

 

Yes, Lawrence says, Jihad means being better—“being a better student, a better colleague, a better business partner. Above all, to control one’s anger.”

 

Anger? Osama has been controlling his anger? Where has Lawrence been the past twenty years? Doesn’t he watch TV; read the newspapers; go on line? Sure, he’s a college professor and an allowance can be made for that, but this is well beyond ignorance. Gilligan and Robinson Crusoe weren’t as far in the dark as this guy. Okay, let’s be fair for a minute—Gilligan and Crusoe might have been stranded on deserted islands for year after year but they were not isolated in some miserable Ivory Tower cut off from all intellectual stimulation. Somebody stick a pin in Lawrence and if he doesn’t respond in three days, call John Esposito or Noam Chomsky. He may need a blood transfusion—and make sure it’s halal blood, none of that cheap dhimmi stuff.

 

 

                                  

* The Professor’s choice.                                * And he thinks we’re going to read that crap?

 

Lawrence is also author of Shattering the Myth. It’s obvious he prefers publishing to perishing. Islam is neither monolithic nor violent says Lawrence. He blames Islam’s woes on the usual suspects—poverty, the Crusades, colonialism, imperialism, American foreign policy; that damn Thomas Jefferson! The fact that Islam’s woes preceded the various isms seems not to matter. The vast majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists he says. And what do they call Christians who believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible? Fundamentalists, isn’t it? And Muslims who do not believe in a literal interpretation of the Qur’an are what? Heretics? That’s a good guess. Lawrence must have confused a hadith with John’s Epistle to the Corinthians. That’s not unusual for a defrocked medievalist.

 

The Muslim silent majority is ready for democracy he says, for capitalism, the rule of law—abridged when necessary by the shari’a—tutti-frutti ice cream and an interfaith dialogue that promotes Islam, condemns Zionism and relegates Jesus Christ to little more than a cheerleader for Mohammed. This is the kind of deal Neville Chamberlain would have accepted from Hitler. It’s a replication of the same sorry cultural surrender made by France and Germany in the ‘70s and ‘80s to keep the good times rolling—oil, Muslim immigration, Wahhabism in; building contracts, trade goods and self-respect out. It was a conquest for Islam, cultural suicide for Europe and the birth of Eurabia.

 

Lawrence wrote a prayer for HarperSanFrancisco on behalf of peace during the First Gulf War titled, appropriately enough, A Prayer of Peace Among the Children of Abraham. It’s on the homepage of Lawrence’s website. The last paragraph is worth quoting, not because it has any literary merit or because it is particularly profound or perceptive—it isn’t—but because it is sort of frightening. It says, “In Islam is the abode of peace. Let it expand and expand engulfing all claimants to Abraham’s faith—be they Jews, be they Christians, and also, Your mercy, be they Muslims.”

 

Well, that does it! There’s no place for Bill Maher or Michael Newdow in Aldous Lawrence’s Brave New World. Nor will there be any room for John Travolta or Hop Sing. And the Abrahamists have been silent of what they intend to do with the gypsies, and eventually the Jews, but one can imagine.

 

There are hundreds of historical figures more worthy of admiration than Osama bin Laden—Jefferson Davis and Al Capone come to mind. Only an Abrahamic pluralist and a defrocked medievalist would have picked Osama bin Laden.

 

 

 

* I’m really sorry, Hop Sing, but there’s no room for you in an Abrahamic pluralistic society.

10 posted on 11/17/2005 10:30:13 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: culturewars

"Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”—"

Too bad Lawrence is fudamentally an idiot. Just read the whole article and it is just another example of how the left is undermining this country at our universities. Every single 'Islamic Studies' course at our American universities are infiltrated with this kind of nonsense.

Hell, even our world religion courses are leaving out Christianity with it comes to the syllabuses. My son took a World Religion course at a Christian University, taught by a Muslim, and all they studied was Islam the entire semester!! He told the students they already knew enough about the Christian religion and when I called to complain..the DEAN said the Professor was right to design his class as he saw fit!!..GIVE ME A BREAK!!


11 posted on 11/17/2005 10:32:27 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: culturewars

It's disgusting how the Left compares the Christian Right to the Islamic fanatics. Last time I checked, Robertson never sent any of his followers on a suicide bombing mission.

If the Left hates religion so much, why are they siding with the Islamo-fascists, who make Robertson look like Madeline Murray O'Hair?


12 posted on 11/17/2005 10:36:56 PM PST by Sterm26 (Indict....no, HANG Joe Wilson!)
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To: culturewars
Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”—and that his fanatical ideology puts him in line with Left Behind writers Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins and televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson

Ok, the Left Behind books were kind of junk reading, but they seemed to have really ticked off the author of this piece! I guess they really are like binL --> they tell people to fly planes into buildings and kill 1000s of innocents and beheading them....
13 posted on 11/17/2005 10:37:54 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: bahblahbah
He blames Islam’s woes on the usual suspects—poverty, the Crusades, colonialism, imperialism

weally??? How come he forgets the 300 years before the Crusades when the slammies were rampaging over the middle east?
14 posted on 11/17/2005 10:39:54 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: culturewars
I’ll concede that, in the long run, bin Laden could be as dangerous and as evil as Hitler, but I don’t want to have World War III.

Nobody asked the terrorist their opinion on this. They've already started WW3. Our only option is to finish it.

Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”


15 posted on 11/17/2005 10:41:32 PM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: culturewars
"Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”—and that his fanatical ideology puts him in line with Left Behind writers Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins and televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson."

The problem with this uneducated "wanna be" writer's statement is, Osama Bin Laden quotes the Koran word for word, where as La-Haye, Jenkins, Falwell, and Robinson only state their personal wishes, which are in some cases in violation of the word of God.

Osama Bin Laden's words, which are words being shouted out around the world in the name of "Allah" (the rock god of Islam), by the Clerics of Islam, the most knowledgeable people who represent the cult of Islam, are the true words of their god. Kill all Jews, Kill all those who don't believe in a rock named "allah" ( al-ilhah, the god most high)

16 posted on 11/17/2005 10:48:47 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: culturewars
Look Lawrence I'll worry about Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and other Christian when they stat flying airplanes in to building... till then shut the f--- up!

Oh and by the if Christians do start making terrorist attacks you folks on the left will then start to support Christians like you do Islam now...right?

17 posted on 11/17/2005 11:00:07 PM PST by tophat9000 (lose 3000 in an hour and you want to fight, lose 2000 in 2 years and you want to run !???)
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To: culturewars

Lets not compare Bible to Quran. Bible is a piece of literary work, shedding some light on historical events with supernatural stories, worthy of teaching in philosphy classes.

Quran, however, is a murderous piece of garbage designed for angry nomadic criminals of desolate deserts, fit to be banned and burned.


18 posted on 11/17/2005 11:11:38 PM PST by sagar
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To: Sterm26
It's disgusting how the Left compares the Christian Right to the Islamic fanatics

It ain't just the left. There exists constituency on here who does the same exact thing.

19 posted on 11/17/2005 11:24:29 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: AZ_Cowboy

I haven't seen it. But then again, I don't frequent the overtly religious posts.

Even though I am not a religous person, I can see the difference between Christianity and Islam. I'd much rather live in the USA with religious freedom than any Islamic toliet country. It amazes me that the left doesn't seem to feel the same way.


20 posted on 11/17/2005 11:28:20 PM PST by Sterm26 (Indict....no, HANG Joe Wilson!)
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To: culturewars
What a pity people like Lawrence don't oppose bin Laden with the same fervor they oppose Roberts, et al. Roberts won't put women in burqas and line people like Lawrence up against the wall for blasphemy. Bin Laden would.
21 posted on 11/17/2005 11:28:55 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Lawrence says that bin Laden is fundamentally a “poet”—

In the same way that Hitler was fundamentally a painter, I suppose...

These academics would make for a fascinating psychological study. They've obviously gotten even wackier since I finished college.

22 posted on 11/17/2005 11:29:40 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: culturewars

Hypocrisy. These profs love their "distinction", yet they hate Christian distinction competing with them....much like Bin Laden as a matter of fact.

Thus the prof is the ideological brother of Bin Laden, not Lahay.


23 posted on 11/17/2005 11:30:38 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: bahblahbah
Separated At Birth?

    

24 posted on 11/17/2005 11:35:19 PM PST by Rastus
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To: culturewars

The Left and the ragheads share a common hatred for Israel and Bible-believing Christians.


25 posted on 11/17/2005 11:39:21 PM PST by razorbak
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To: razorbak

Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of Hurl
Duke, Duke Duke of Hurl
Duke Duke of Hurl.
Hurl, Duke of Hurl
Lawrence makes me hurl, he's a churl........


26 posted on 11/17/2005 11:49:39 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: culturewars
the professor sounds as if his brain has been pummeled into oatmeal. If it hasn't been, it should be.
27 posted on 11/17/2005 11:53:21 PM PST by Cougar66 (If I had ever wanted a woman to be President, I'd have voted for John Kerry)
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To: Onelifetogive

You know those Christians...like Robertson how could they cut Daniel Pearl's head off. Oh wait that was Bin Laden's group. How could they bomb innocent people in Jordan. Oh wait that was Al Quada. Comparing Christians to Bin Laden is absolutely offensive and bigotted. It demonstrates the hatred the left has for Christians. Christians do not murder non-Christians or other Christians. The Christian religion calls for love and forgiveness. Islam is death.


28 posted on 11/18/2005 2:04:27 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: Sterm26
It's disgusting how the Left compares the Christian Right to the Islamic fanatics. Last time I checked, Robertson never sent any of his followers on a suicide bombing mission.

His opinion is stated without any justification or examples of their similarity. Because he says so, it is so.

And sadly many who simply practise hate will nod their heads in agreement and think him intelligent for pointing this out.

29 posted on 11/18/2005 2:26:07 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: culturewars

First, Osama Bin Laden is no poet. He is also no deep thinker and has only approved fatwas and never issued one. He and his mentor the Shaykh Azzam were influenced by Ibn Tamiyyah (1268-1328), who fought the Mongol invaders and argued that any depredation was possible in the name of Islam. In the 20th Century he was influenced by Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Sayyed Qutb, the radical Islamist and Western hater, who like Tamiyyah justified the use of terror in the name of Islam. In sum, OBL is only the most recent part of a continuum that would, given the chance, destroy any aspect of Western civilization, and any "foreign" religion.


30 posted on 11/18/2005 3:17:12 AM PST by gaspar
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To: culturewars

Jerk Off !!!


31 posted on 11/18/2005 3:38:19 AM PST by NixonsAngryGhost (Free Republic Offers SCOTUS Vetting at No Charge)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
WHEN I AM NOT VERBALLY MASTURBATING , I AM JETTING TO BOSTON TO MEET BARNEY


32 posted on 11/18/2005 3:47:43 AM PST by NixonsAngryGhost (Free Republic Offers SCOTUS Vetting at No Charge)
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To: penelopesire
read the whole article and it is just another example of how the left is undermining this country at our universities

your contributions at work; american universities were hijacked long ago by the left. if you're a socialist in america, a university is your best anti-capitalist employment option if you can get a job as a journalist.

33 posted on 11/18/2005 3:58:18 AM PST by alrea (just in from Marymapes news service: UFO's not yet proven to be fakes)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

"Osama bin Laden repeatedly cites the Qur’an, but he cites it in the way that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson cite the New Testament."

What a salient point! I've seen Jerry on TV dozens of times using the bible as a basis for getting his followers to kill innocent civilians.


34 posted on 11/18/2005 4:12:13 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

Doesn't anyone care about catching this monster (Bin Laden)? Where's the desire to find him and wipe him off the face of the earth?


35 posted on 11/20/2005 11:12:43 PM PST by The Doctor
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To: culturewars

Shew. Nutty...and he gets paid to come up with this trash as an "educator."


36 posted on 11/20/2005 11:36:03 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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