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New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMD, Was Tied to Al Qaida
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Posted on 11/19/2005 6:21:28 PM PST by digital-olive

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To: digital-olive

Welcome to FR!!!!!


21 posted on 11/19/2005 6:43:09 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111

Russia Hid Saddam's WMDs

By Ion Mihai Pacepa
Washington Times | October 2, 2003

On March 20, Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced the U.S.-led "aggression" against Iraq as "unwarranted" and "unjustifiable." Three days later, Pravda said that an anonymous Russian "military expert" was predicting that the United States would fabricate finding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov immediately started plying the idea abroad, and it has taken hold around the world ever since.

As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction — in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit." I implemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them. We wanted to make sure they would never be traced back to us, and we also wanted to frustrate the West by not giving them anything they could make propaganda with.

All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea. Technological documentation, however, would be preserved in microfiche buried in waterproof containers for future reconstruction. Chemical weapons, especially those produced in Third World countries, which lack sophisticated production facilities, often do not retain lethal properties after a few months on the shelf and are routinely dumped anyway. And all chemical weapons plants had a civilian cover making detection difficult, regardless of the circumstances.

The plan included an elaborate propaganda routine. Anyone accusing Moammar Gadhafi of possessing chemical weapons would be ridiculed. Lies, all lies! Come to Libya and see! Our Western left-wing organizations, like the World Peace Council, existed for sole purpose of spreading the propaganda we gave them. These very same groups bray the exact same themes to this day. We always relied on their expertise at organizing large street demonstrations in Western Europe over America's "war-mongering" whenever we wanted to distract world attention from the crimes of the vicious regimes we sponsored.

Iraq, in my view, had its own "Sarindar" plan in effect direct from Moscow. It certainly had one in the past. Nicolae Ceausescu told me so, and he heard it from Leonid Brezhnev. KGB chairman Yury Andropov, and later, Gen. Yevgeny Primakov, told me so, too. In the late 1970s, Gen. Primakov ran Saddam's weapons programs. After that, as you may recall, he was promoted to head of the Soviet foreign intelligence service in 1990, to Russia's minister of foreign affairs in 1996, and in 1998, to prime minister. What you may not know is that Primakov hates Israel and has always championed Arab radicalism. He was a personal friend of Saddam's and has repeatedly visited Baghdad after 1991, quietly helping Saddam play his game of hide-and-seek.

The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them "disappear." Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals: Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. They were all there receiving honorary medals from the Iraqi defense minister. They clearly were not there to give Saddam military advice for the upcoming war—Saddam's Katyusha launchers were of World War II vintage, and his T-72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes were all obviously useless against America. "I did not fly to Baghdad to drink coffee," was what Gen. Achalov told the media afterward. They were there orchestrating Iraq's "Sarindar" plan.

The U.S. military in fact, has already found the only thing that would have been allowed to survive under the classic Soviet "Sarindar" plan to liquidate weapons arsenals in the event of defeat in war — the technological documents showing how to reproduce weapons stocks in just a few weeks.

Such a plan has undoubtedly been in place since August 1995 — when Saddam's son-in-law, Gen. Hussein Kamel, who ran Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological programs for 10 years, defected to Jordan. That August, UNSCOM and International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors searched a chicken farm owned by Kamel's family and found more than one hundred metal trunks and boxes containing documentation dealing with all categories of weapons, including nuclear. Caught red-handed, Iraq at last admitted to its "extensive biological warfare program, including weaponization," issued a "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure Report" and turned over documents about the nerve agent VX and nuclear weapons.

Saddam then lured Gen. Kamel back, pretending to pardon his defection. Three days later, Kamel and over 40 relatives, including women and children, were murdered, in what the official Iraqi press described as a "spontaneous administration of tribal justice." After sending that message to his cowed, miserable people, Saddam then made a show of cooperation with UN inspection, since Kamel had just compromised all his programs, anyway. In November 1995, he issued a second "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure" as to his supposedly non-existent missile programs. That very same month, Jordan intercepted a large shipment of high-grade missile components destined for Iraq. UNSCOM soon fished similar missile components out of the Tigris River, again refuting Saddam's spluttering denials. In June 1996, Saddam slammed the door shut to UNSCOM's inspection of any "concealment mechanisms." On Aug. 5, 1998, halted cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA completely, and they withdrew on Dec. 16, 1998. Saddam had another four years to develop and hide his weapons of mass destruction without any annoying, prying eyes. U.N. Security Council resolutions 1115, (June 21, 1997), 1137 (Nov. 12, 1997), and 1194 (Sept. 9, 1998) were issued condemning Iraq—ineffectual words that had no effect. In 2002, under the pressure of a huge U.S. military buildup by a new U.S. administration, Saddam made yet another "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure," which was found to contain "false statements" and to constitute another "material breach" of U.N. and IAEA inspection and of paragraphs eight to 13 of resolution 687 (1991).

It was just a few days after this last "Disclosure," after a decade of intervening with the U.N. and the rest of the world on Iraq's behalf, that Gen. Primakov and his team of military experts landed in Baghdad — even though, with 200,000 U.S. troops at the border, war was imminent, and Moscow could no longer save Saddam Hussein. Gen. Primakov was undoubtedly cleaning up the loose ends of the "Sarindar" plan and assuring Saddam that Moscow would rebuild his weapons of mass destruction after the storm subsided for a good price.

Mr. Putin likes to take shots at America and wants to reassert Russia in world affairs. Why would he not take advantage of this opportunity? As minister of foreign affairs and prime minister, Gen. Primakov has authored the "multipolarity" strategy of counterbalancing American leadership by elevating Russia to great-power status in Eurasia. Between Feb. 9-12, Mr. Putin visited Germany and France to propose a three-power tactical alignment against the United States to advocate further inspections rather than war. On Feb. 21, the Russian Duma appealed to the German and French parliaments to join them on March 4-7 in Baghdad, for "preventing U.S. military aggression against Iraq." Crowds of European leftists, steeped for generations in left-wing propaganda straight out of Moscow, continue to find the line appealing.

Mr. Putin's tactics have worked. The United States won a brilliant military victory, demolishing a dictatorship without destroying the country, but it has begun losing the peace. While American troops unveiled the mass graves of Saddam's victims, anti-American forces in Western Europe and elsewhere, spewed out vitriolic attacks, accusing Washington of greed for oil and not of really caring about weapons of mass destruction, or exaggerating their risks, as if weapons of mass destruction were really nothing very much to worry about after all.

It is worth remembering that Andrei Sakharov, the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb, chose to live in a Soviet gulag instead of continuing to develop the power of death. "I wanted to alert the world," Sakharov explained in 1968, "to the grave perils threatening the human race thermonuclear extinction, ecological catastrophe, famine." Even Igor Kurchatov, the KGB academician who headed the Soviet nuclear program from 1943 until his death in 1960, expressed deep qualms of conscience about helping to create weapons of mass destruction. "The rate of growth of atomic explosives is such," he warned in an article written together with several other Soviet nuclear scientists not long before he died, "that in just a few years the stockpile will be large enough to create conditions under which the existence of life on earth will be impossible."

The Cold War was fought over the reluctance to use weapons of mass destruction, yet now this logic is something only senior citizens seem to recall. Today, even lunatic regimes like that in North Korea not only possess weapons of mass destruction, but openly offer to sell them to anyone with cash, including terrorists and their state sponsors. Is anyone paying any attention? Being inured to proliferation, however, does not reduce its danger. On the contrary, it increases it.


22 posted on 11/19/2005 6:43:59 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: ClaireSolt
Somebody else mentioned this this wee.

I thought I'd read this earlier, but I read so many things in a wee(k)'s time, sometimes it all blurs together. Would you happen to remember the source of the first article?

23 posted on 11/19/2005 6:48:12 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny

this was an article in the vanguard claiming that there was a un report showing that iraq had moved wmds out of the country before,during,and after the war... however there were no sources listed on the article ( I believe?).


24 posted on 11/19/2005 6:50:50 PM PST by digital-olive
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To: digital-olive

thanks


25 posted on 11/19/2005 6:52:28 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Andrew_Kalionzes
that and the satellite photos i know exist showing weapons being unloaded in the Bakarra valley in Syria

If this existed (I can't believe that it does), why the hell would this not be released? Any credible evidence of WMD's being moved to Syria would give complete cover to the Bush administration. there is no way they would not release proof of WMD's if it really existed.

26 posted on 11/19/2005 7:03:32 PM PST by al_again
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To: Andrew_Kalionzes

do you have access to these sat photos?


27 posted on 11/19/2005 7:06:21 PM PST by digital-olive
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To: digital-olive

I call total and complete BS.


28 posted on 11/19/2005 7:14:13 PM PST by al_again
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To: digital-olive
Bombshell, Newsmax once again takes the lead in informing us of things that could be rumor, are for sure at this time not declassified and may never pan out.

We need the source some valid proof and then can we begin to believe this?
I'd like to, but this is rumor unless this is real and becomes public before the next century.
29 posted on 11/19/2005 7:14:13 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: luvbach1

Has anything been officially released for anyone to believe regarding this issue from a proper source yet?
No, so when it is I will be thrilled to take this seriously. Until then, this is like the portable lab trucks in Iraq.
I'd like to hear good stuff to, but verified.


30 posted on 11/19/2005 7:18:38 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: al_again
If this existed (I can't believe that it does), why the hell would this not be released?

And exactly how could they prove that it really is WMD's without actually going into Syria? The press would do their usual "without indisputable proof, we'll go with the completely implausible innocent explanation".

We had to go into Iraq when we did to eliminate the threat, in spite of the reality that all the evidence of the WMD's would be destroyed, and what wasn't destroyed would be ignored by the MSM.

31 posted on 11/19/2005 7:19:08 PM PST by Wissa
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To: A CA Guy

I know this article is un supported, however I hope that is is true and look forward to seeing evidence supporting it soon.


32 posted on 11/19/2005 7:22:28 PM PST by digital-olive
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To: digital-olive
I would like to see that also, but it is rumor until the Bush administration verifies this.
We can't go off and use this against Al Jazeera's American Democrats until this is verified,
33 posted on 11/19/2005 7:24:38 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Wissa
People need to except the fact that there was no active WMD program in Iraq. If there had been, we certainly would have found solid evidence by now.

People get too hung up on the fact that there wasn't an active WMD program. There was certainly intelligence (albeit incorrect) indicating that Iraq had WMD's. As Iraq wouldn't allow inspections, the US had to make a decision based on the intelligence it had. I find it very ironic that the same people screaming that the Bush administration should have acted on the pre 9/11 intelligence are now screaming that Bush shouldn't have acted on the pre Iraq war intelligence. You really can't have it both ways (unless you are a Democrat)!

34 posted on 11/19/2005 7:31:21 PM PST by al_again
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To: Andrew_Kalionzes
(yes... they do exist, i've seen them)

If these exist, they are classified and you're posting about them...well, something seems amiss.

35 posted on 11/19/2005 7:33:37 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: al_again
...the fact that there wasn't an active WMD program.

Well, that depends on how you define "active". My own belief is that Iraq had some WMD's, which the Russians helped them dispose of. I remember right before we went in that Putin said we wouldn't find any WMD's. He made it as such a statement of fact that I figured at the time that the Russians had succeeded in getting rid of the evidence.

Most of their "active WMD program" was in the form of having the capability to ramp up production as soon as they got sanctions lifted and a clean bill of health from the UN inspection team. Lifting of sanctions was the path that the UN was unalterable going down short of the US deposing Saddam.

Iraq was a real threat to our security.

36 posted on 11/19/2005 7:44:09 PM PST by Wissa
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To: Lee'sGhost

Have a look through this old FR thread, there are some pictures showing truck movement:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1259230/posts?q=1&&page=101


37 posted on 11/19/2005 7:49:49 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: Imperialist

Also some prewar pics here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html#39

I'm looking for the satellite images of the convoys heading to Syria, hope I still have the links....


38 posted on 11/19/2005 7:54:54 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: al_again

OPSEC
could be the reason.


39 posted on 11/19/2005 7:57:59 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Lee'sGhost; MaDuce
I've seen those satellite photos.

I know this sounds lame, but I can't remember where I saw them. It was one of those very quick stories that the media told once, then dropped it when someone realized it was good news for Bush.

40 posted on 11/19/2005 7:58:51 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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