Boy, 12, facing murder charge

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | November 19, 2005 | Stefano Esposito

[cynicom]

Confused??? About what? Because it took several shots to down the victim????

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

We may be seeing a case of the older asking the younger to be the trigger man in order to avoid prison.

Note how they left and returned to gun down the victim.

It's possible that the older retreived a stashed gun and convinced his younger cousin to pull the trigger.

[Iris7]

Questions are not too answerable. CSI is not a bit like reality.

Most likely the kid had a low power handgun, maybe a .25, with terrible sights and worse trigger, and with no training but shooting it a few times. Also it was dark and the shooting was as close as possible. As far as both shoulders, etc., even "experts" often miss four shots out of five at twenty feet at night when excited and in fear for their lives. No way to tell what happened in this incident from the news story.

[KDD]

Perhaps you are just very young and you don,t recognize the reference to a Jim Croce song about "the south side of Chicago" and "Leroy Brown".

Your sensitivity is so progressive though...go ahead and show your ignorance....damn newbie idiots.

[Graybeard58]

His posting history in the few hours he's been a member shows a lot of "sensitivety" and "progressiveness".


Give him enough rope.

[Seamoth]

"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused,"

He probably is scared, upset and confused because he has no clue that he did anything wrong... how sad.

[Seamoth]

minors are minors precisely because it is assumed that they need adult guidance and do not have the tools or experience to make proper decisions on their own.

Drunks are the same way. So, do we give everyone under the influence a pass?

[School of Rational Thought]

Damn, I must be a horrible parent. My son is 13 and my daughter will be 12 in Jan, and I let them stay out until 9pm. No one that age had to be in at 8, even in my day.


In my day you had to be in before the street lights were on. But that was the sixties.

[Fruitbat]

Twelve years old would put him in 6th grade, that is elementary school.

Most 12-year olds are 8th graders, no. That's middle school. Elementary school where I'm from is K-5 or 6.

[Fruitbat]

Sounds normal to me. Since my birthday is Oct, I was 12 in the 7th and 8th grade.

When I was 12 I was in 8th grade. That means you were 6 when you were in kindergarten?

[ShadowDancer]

Most 12 year olds are 8th graders? Are you insane?

[Fruitbat]

Well, to be 12 in 8th grade you'd have to be in KG at the age of 6. All the kids I know hit KG when they're 5 or going on 5.

I'm off a bit, but not entirely.

[ShadowDancer]

My oldest daughter and all her classmates in the 5th grade have just turned eleven or are turning eleven. My youngest daughter and all her classmates in the 1st grade have just turned seven or are turning seven over the course of the school year. You do the math.

[Fruitbat]

Got it. Frankly, it's not worth the time we've been spending on this. Perhaps the schools are starting them later now, I don't know. Frankly, don't care too much either. Good chattin' however. : )

[WasDougsLamb]

"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused


----Don't speak for all 12 year olds. Mine at 12 knew better than to murder someone. As far as being scared and confused, he had his wits about him when he shot the man 4 times. Quit molly coddling these little bastards and make them pay for what they did like anybody else.

[Graybeard58]

Just as I said in reply #46, give him enough rope.

"Two Sides Same Coin" is history.

[KDD]

I was going to suggest he read the book 'Liberal Racism' by Jim Sleeper so he could understand how he and his fellow liberal travelers actually promote and sustain racist attitudes with their mealy mouth platitudes to diversity and wealth redistribution. Not to mention the racism of education and employment set-asides that reward those not for the content of their character but for the color of their skin. His statement was the racist statement. It is his eyes that see only through the prism of color.

Good riddance to him.

Liberal Racism by Jim Sleeper

[Melas]

Yes, that's why I mentioned my birth month. If you turned 5 by sept, you could get into kindergarten. My birthday is Oct, so I had to wait until I was almost 6.

[Melas]

Sounds terribly capricious. I'd hate to be a kid in a Northern latitude with a rule like that. You'd be out late all Summer, and have absolutely no time to play at all in the winter. My kids have a 9pm curfew regardless of the season.